it, at artmentalizing time in his life where he does not have quite the maturity that he has now, andt from how we is now and how he behaves now -- to my >> is an apology enough? >> i think it is not always enough, and you also have to have good behavior. know if he could ever apologize. as a human being. >> oh, my goodness. the whole thing. no way that women should ever get abused, and it happens over and over again, and that is something we have to fix in society, then maybe the only thing coming out of this scandal is paying more attention to this. >> what do you make of the response of roger goodell? has he been apologetic enough? >> i do not even know if the apologies are enough. we need to see change in the nfl and have the behavior get fixed, and controversy over whether he saw tapes or the nfl knew, i aboutthere was something how truthful is everybody in this, and how well-managed is it over,to be, glossed instead of fixed, and i think anytime you try to gloss over something, most people see through that very easily. >> so you think the best strategy is to comment? some will c

. >> the level of their artments is no way compared to al qaeda.qaeda is like guns and a few bombs. >> compared. >> and box cutters, as we remember on 9/11. these guys have anti-aircraft guns. they have shoulder-launch missiles. they have tanks. they have tanks near baghdad. >> there are those who have also argued, we are going to have peter bergen on later in the program, do not overblow the threat that isis poses to the homeland, to the united states. do i think it can be overblown? >> i don't think it can be overblown, partly because of the political situation in this country. it doesn't take a 9/11 to divide this country or make this country hysterical anymore. little -- little terrorist attack does do a lot. and already, we have seen people we know have been with isis not only coming back to europe but carrying out a terrorist attack. a gay named meti nemush attacked a holocaust memorial in brussels and killed people. >> yesterday, the news broke they believe also, the french journalist said that is my captor. >> confirmed by a number of peopl