arundhati roy's india is home to 17 of the world's 25 most polluted cities; and not coincidentally theld's fastest growing major economy. what is it normally like in delhi? >> roy: well, normally it is dystopian, you know? especially in the winter months. sometimes that smog is not just outside your house, it's inside your house, inside the rooms, you know? so that's how terrible delhi is. and suddenly we're just seeing blue skies. >> wertheim: and it's like this, from shanghai to secaucus. by circumstance and not design, a glimpse of life with fewer fossil fuels, nd already the clean and quiet surroundings have found favor with wildlife. what does that tell you about the earth's ability to rebound and snap back? >> mckibben: well, maybe we still have a window to-- to take a step back. and if we do, maybe the earth will meet us halfway. >> wertheim: and when people say, need to get thisstar we need to jump back on planes. this climate change, that can wait," what do you say? >> mckibben: well, it obviously can't wait. you've got to pay attention to reality or else you end up getting bi

before introduce arundhati roy, i want to tantillo business. i want to thank the organizers sponsor of this teaching, haymarket books. haymarket is a publisher of a number of books including the absolutely extraordinary collection of nonfiction essays written over 20 years. "my seditious heart" and a fourth coming book, "azadi: freedom. fascism. fiction" which concludes with the essay, , the pandemic is the portal which is the title of an foundation for our conversation today. haymarket also publishes other critical radical thinkers such as angela davis, naomi klein, and so many others. in this moment in which we are reckoning with crises, with suffering, with deep injustice, it's especially important for us to support critical thinkers, freedom fighters, and as part of that task i would encourage you all to buy books from a market, to join the haymarket book club. we are inviting people to make donations to the publisher during this discussion, and there will be information on the screen about how you can do so. this video will be recorded and

we take a look at books by political satirist pj or work and then booker prize-winning author arundhati royand what president trump and winston churchill have in common beginning now on the book tv . >> now we like to highlight some programs from our archives with a equals arrest pj o'rourke. over the past 20 years he's appeared on both ddclose to 20 times . first up, in 2007 on a monthly call in program in-depth. pj o'rourke discussed his politics, writing and why he uses humor to address political and social issues . >> this picture on the left, isthat a real picture ? >> oh yeah. not a way. that was i would guess 71. not quite positive

books by political satirist pj or work and then booker prize-winning author arundhati roy and what president trump and winston churchill have in common beginning now on the book tv . >> now we like to highlight some programs from our archives with a equals arrest pj o'rourke. over the past 20 years he's appeared on both ddclose to 20 times . first up, in 2007 on a monthly call in program in-depth. pj o'rourke discussed his politics, writing and why he uses humor to address political and social issues . >> this picture on the left, isthat a real picture ? >> oh yeah. not a way. that was i would guess 71. not quite positive. >> what were your politics in 1971? >> i think a martian left would be the easiest way to sum it up. i was a left-winger, but i didn't make enough sense to actually be a communist or a trotskyite or anything. >> when did the transformation occur? >> it was gradual. i just wrote about this. there is a book coming out from the huber institution is backing this. edited by mary eberstadt called why i turned right and it's the story of a bunch of us and why we became right and