tom: ari going to go after guy johnson? >> im.my shrinking, why would buyone want to build or in a shrinking economy? tom: you go after francine. francine: let's do this. tom: let's bring up another chart. this is nominal gdp. the rambling, you can see the success of abenomics. can we import their failure to europe and the u.s.? is the tepid animal spirit going to be the japan of vocation -- japanification of the u.s.? >> only if we start dying. if the population goes down, the economy will shrink rate since not any signs of the population going down and we are not going to build the ball against mexico or cut off immigration, we will continue to grow. maybe not as fast as before, but we will grow. japan needs people. it does not need more fiscal policy or monetary policy. it needs people. francine: i will push back up it against not what you said now, i agree with that, but what you said previously. the blue line is employment. this is for employment, 3.3%. other western economies would love and kill for this kind of .hing this i