. >> i came up with the tea party but i was not part of thetary tappetea partythat label of the. as for as tea party experience, i was there. but this thing is, i'm a common sense conservative, we have to get work done, i'm a nurse, i get into these things, i'm about solutions and finding remenis, not just getting into the process and strategies that will not win at the end of the day. charles: i'm not sure if you could hear steve forbes, you tossed out common sense ideas, why -- what was the response? why were they rejected? >> you know, we all do come together, and have our ideas this debt ceiling we'll be voting oi'm a no vote. i can't a the debt ceiling for so little in return, i'm looking to delay the individual mandate with obamacare. looking for more spending cuts, more of a process moving forward, i realize this is just a bridge to get us through, but i promised my constituents i am gets more for it and we're not, we have to tackle obamacare, that will be our driving debt, we have to get the budget together. charles: how do you handle it differently? you acknowledge early on this halting of the governm

experience? actually engaging this a ministration? >> they are as stunned as anyone, including the tea party activists who led the charge at how and attration has been in implementing obamacare because he was considered at the forefront of social networking. you know, marshaling his forces through facebook, all kinds of wireless technology. you would have thought that the technocrats of all presidents would be literally at the level of bangladesh in providing services in a third world country. i don't think anyone could have predicted this. your monday morning quarterback and a short. enable them to rally the troops quickly. lou: i'm sorry. what is the reaction in the home town? >> you know, we love ted crews. i mean, i love what he did. now, listen to all of the republicans that are now jumping off the bandwagon, i am glad i am not with you in a foxhole. you have a guy that is willing to fight for. when you like people that are all the sudden telling you that you don't know what we are doing. is that the kind of person you want in a fight? i want someone is willing to fight. yes, the republicans are still strong. yes, that the party

experience as a broad body of state. >> thank you, very much. this is a very important hearing. pretty cleares it what is going on. the tea party controls the house of representatives. they do not like the government. down.ant to shut it as people start to complain they say we will take -- they say we will pass bills piece by piece. so far they have only past eight or nine. they say people like national parks. people want to make sure that women and infants are taken care of. people want fema to be funded. this reminds me of a story of a little boy in russia. he hated crowd lack -- he hated kreblach. his mother decided to show him why she should like it. andtakes out the dough starts to make it just like a pancake. then she took up the meat and chopped up for me -- chopped up the meat. she put that in. then she baked it up, put it in a soup. she says, you like soup. she put the crib lack in the middle of it -- she put the kreblach in the middle of it. he said, i hate it. thetea party are going, government i hate it. piece by piece they like what it does. you like the nih. you like the national parks. piece by piece, by christma

as part of the tea party, yes, it's good. the democrats to me are just taking advantage for the votes to get freebies out to get the votes. host: thank you. well, in my experience most people who are getting with the caller called freebies are actually not very satisfied with that situation. every time jobs are advertised in any major city across the country, you have thousands of -- or a fewg up for dozen or a few hundred scarce jobs. it is not my view that the work ethic is dead in america or that there are lots of people who are comfortable living off the government their entire lives. either way, it's it's a lot harder to live off the government for your entire life that was before the welfare reform of the mid-1990s. it is the case that people with lower levels of education and skills are having a much harder time finding even entry-level jobs in this new america than 20, 30, 40, 50 years ago and that is a huge problem in this country. we are all going to be poorer if we cannot find a way of training and then enlisting the skills of all the americans who want to work which i believe is nearly all of them. i guess the caller and i just have a different perc