asad rehman, your response?> it is difficult for anybody now not to make the candidate -- next between, change, war, conflict. climate change exasperates everything. , asave seen it in syria john kerry mentioned, but also nigeria and other places. the reality is, climate change is both creating the conditions for social upheaval in many places, more distresses, agricultural yields collapse, as people move from rural to urban tensions become exasperated. if we want to deal with the issues of military and conflict, we should go to the root cause. the root cause is inequality as well as climate change. amy: i want to get a inequality, but the issue of conflict in syria? >> from 2006 to 2011, 5 years of the worst drought ever in syrian history. between 1.5 to 29 people moved from rural to urban areas. 80% of livestock died. of course, in the situations, just as we know in the air spring -- arab spring with a harvest collapse, food prices tripled, those created the theal tensions which led to arab spring. a similar s

amy: and the issue legally of forcing polluters to pay, asad rehman?hink there are two issues here. first of all, folders have to pay. the biggest polluters our countries. corporations are not created -- they're not political entities, we create them and their regulated by our states. so the key question is also a that we have to be careful, but we're not just talking about corporations but our governments because it is our governments that have the legal and moral responsibility. what we don't want to get into is corporations thinking they can continue to pollute as long as they pay a fine. we've seen that with the tobacco industry and other industries as well. what we need to see is regulation, deep cuts, emission cuts, and a move away from our pollution, including dirty energy. can i just come back on the one interesting thing about the human rights issue is, the united states is not rectified any human rights statute. so it is also using as a poison pill to try to divide developing countries. what we're seeing is a real big game of dividing and try

and asad rehman is the head of international climate for friends of the earth.you are there last night. why did you gather, hundreds of people saying no to the draft paris accords? >> there are so many loopholes in that draft text, you can fly air force one through it. i mean, the bottom line is, it is lacking in ambition. it has lots of options which might give a false sense of complacency, lots to fight for. but importantly, i think we should acknowledge that everybody was participating in the climate process over the pascoe love years can take some comfort from the fact that 1.5 as a goal is alive still, he would not have been there had it not been for the activism that we are seeing around the world. however, at 1.5, if it is not backed up with a long-term goal of how we phase out fossil fuels by 2050, the commitments that governments have made in terms of emissions, when you add it all up, it is taking us to 3.7 degrees world. know, it justyou doesn't add up to the level of ambition and a sense of urgency that we need to see. the bottom line is, i would say