asecretary. we have jessie jane duff, concerned veterans of america. welcome back to the show. this fellow, really well-regarded, vietnam vet, heart doctor. great credentials. whatwhat do we know about his ability to lead an organization as big and sprawling as va. >> it is highly recognized clinic he is coming from and world-renown. this is exceptional move on the president's part i do give him credit for this. being a veteran is nice although not necessary. we need people who can manage health care facilities this is first step hopefully in the right direction. the hearings will reveal anything more. if it is questionable it will come un. we need executives to run the va with health care experience. many of them do not even know how to manage their own hospitals. >> very interesting. well, you know the president has tipped his hand how much he loves the cleveland clinic. here is what he said in 2012 about the cleveland clinic. >> so, at cleveland clinic, one of the best health care systems in the world, they actually provide great care cheaper than average. the reason they do