we have a very special guest, guru ashee. most popular radio stations, guru ashee is using her celebrity status to win over a national audience and draw attention to the plight of her people. she's really going for it. to have references to things like hiv and to people rejecting members of their own family and to social stigma, to have that on mainstream radio and to be starting those conversations in this country is pretty revolutionary, actually. the idea that being third gender is so unacceptable that it can't be tolerated is the cause of social isolation for many third gender people. now khurram's getting older, he's attempting to conform. he's turned his back on his third gender identity. he's now a fixture at his local mosque. sure, there's a spiritual element, but it's also about the practicalities of being accepted back into the care and relative stability of his family. here, it's just accepted that third gender people will lose their dignity, families and the promise of care in old age, just for being who they are.