doctor ashish jha from harvard university. been moving across parts of bangladesh and eastern india making the challenges of staying safe during the coronavirus pandemic much more difficult. at least 15 people have died, more than 3 million people were forced to leave their homes — mostly in bangladesh before cyclone amphan hit. coronavirus restrictions have been hampering the relief efforts, as our correspondent in mumbai, yogita limaye, reports. the might of the storm has left a trail of destruction. amphan has plundered its way through the indian state of west bengal, neighbouring bangladesh also in its path. hunkered inside, even those used to seeing cyclones every year are stunned by the fury. i have never seen something like this ever in my life. it went on continuously for three hours without any signs of slowing down. from inside my home, i could hear tin roofs flying around, i could hear trees getting uprooted. on the shores, sea water surged in, along with heavy rainfall, it has caused flooding in many areas. over th

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don't be gentle, ashish. go ahead. >> respectfully. look. 80% of americans, in all the pollings, basically say, yeah, we want to get back going again. but not without more testing. not without more security and safety. so i -- i don't know how the politics of this cuts. i know how the science of this cuts. and the science of this is pretty clear. more testing, mask wearing, social distance, open up safely, and we can have a pretty good summer. won't be the same as every other summer, but we can get back. and we can even get through the fall if we keep ramping up testing and keep all these things in place. so i -- i'm all in on that. but i want to let the data and science drive my decision-making. >> that's the exactly to put way to put it. i know it goes against the fact of you having all this high character and base everything you say on facts but i'll beat that out of you, over time, because if that's the message from the community that is protective here. we all want to get back. let's get back now. but we have to do it in stages an

ashish jah of harvard's global health institute. researchers at columbia also estimated that 83% of the deaths in the u.s. could have been preed at the shutdowns happened on march 1. what do you make of the data? dr. jah: i think the data are largely right. this is what happens with exponential growth. the doubling time of the disease uncontrolled was five to six days. you get four times the number of cases. if we had shut down 12 day earlier than we did, we would have had a quarter of the cases and a quarter of the deaths we had. that is how this works, which is why it is so important to get a jump early on this virus and not wait until it becomes overwhelming. laura: well, we are where we are, and researchers at imperial college in london are predicting that the u.s. death toll, nearly 100,000, could double in two months as the lockdowns are relaxed. that is also a pretty stark dr. jah: prediction. dr. jah:it is, and i'm a little more optimistic than that. i believe that the transmission should be a little bit lower as the weather

doctor ashish jha from harvard university. has been moving across parts of bangladesh and eastern india, making the challenges of staying safe during the coronavirus pandemic much more difficult. at least 15 people have died, more than 3 million people were forced to leave their homes, mostly in bangladesh before cyclone amphan hit. coronavirus restrictions have been hampering the relief efforts, as our correspondent in mumbai, yogita limaye, reports. the might of the storm has left a trail of destruction. amphan has plundered its way through the indian state of west bengal, neighbouring bangladesh also in its path. hunkered inside, even those used to seeing cyclones every year are stunned by the fury. i have never seen something like this ever in my life. it went on continuously for three hours without any signs of slowing down. from inside my home, i could hear tin roofs flying around, i could hear trees getting uprooted. 0n the shores, sea water surged in, along with heavy rainfall, it has caused flooding in many areas. ove

doctor ashish jha from harvard university.the world health organization says latin america is currently the epicentre of the pandemic. rich preston has the latest from the continent. lockdowns remain in place across much of latin america as it tackles the spread of coronavirus. in colombia, which has around 17,000 cases and over 6000 deaths, police used drones to look for those breaking quarantine rules in the capital, bogota. but they're a little bit more sophisticated than that. police are looking for people with a fever and if it spots someone with a high temperature, it sends the location to a control room so a medical team can be dispatched to find the person and test them for the virus. translation: it gives us an approximate body temperature and directs the case to a national system so it can be attended to. colombia's neighbor to the south, peru, has the second highest death toll from covid—19 in latin america. in the capital, lima, a protest by these hospital workers demanding more protective equipment, saying they ha

ashish jha, thank you for taking the time to be here. there are a lot of demands on your time right now. >> rachel, thank you so much for having me on. >> i wanted to talk to you tonight, because honestly, i was struck by the bluntness of your criticism of cdc in this piece. i have been chasing something that is driving me crazy, which is that i feel like the cdc started to produce very non-cdc-like guidance, or lack of guidance, when it came to them investigating the meat plant outbreak in sioux falls, south dakota. i'm worried that there's something broken inside cdc which is why we're not getting the kind of guidance that you say we really need. >> yes, so rachel, this has been baffling to all of us in the public health world. and by the way, writing this piece was one of the most painful things i've done in a long time. i grew up as a public health person loving and admiring the cdc, arguing and believing that it is the best public health agency in the world. and the scientists are still there. but in this entire pandemic, it's been

i mean, you know, i think it's probably the same for ashish as it is for me. i've known people who've died of this, erin. i've been in hospitals and i've seen people struggling to breathe because of this. and i think for a lot of people who've not seen that this still feels like it's something they're immune from, they don't have to pay attention to, they don't think -- it's not a risk to them. thankfully there will be a lot of people who won't get sick. and that's obviously a very good thing. but right now i think not only are people's health potentially at risk but how i behave could potentially put other people at risk. how they behave could put me at risk. people talk about taking -- being risky and be being -- taking a sacrifice and starting to get things open again. you're not just risking it for yourself, you're risking it for me as well and for you erin and a ashish. it's a different metric we have to think about this. >> dr. j ha the number of new cases in the united states has largely plateaued albeit as sanjay points out at a level we are makes the

ashish gentlemajha. kaitlan, i understand you have some breaking news about the fda commissioner, quarantining, self-quarantining. what is that about? >> yeah, don. we're learning from the fda spokesperson that the fda commissioner steven han is going to self-quarantine for the next 14 days, after they say he came into contact with someone who has since tested positive for coronavirus. now, he sent a note to staff earlier, telling them that he was going to follow the cdc guidance about quarantining for the next 14 days. he didn't say which staffer it was that he came in contact with, or which person it was that he came in contact with that had coronavirus. but, don, of course we learned today it's vice president mike pence's press secretary, katie miller, who tested positive. she had tested negative yesterd yesterday. was not showing fany symptoms ad then came to work today, and the daily test they have implemented since yesterday, and that is why he is going to be self-quarantining for 14 days. this is

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ashish jha, the director of the harvard global health institute. sanjay, we are nearing 100,000 confirmed deaths in the united states. and i'm getting my first look at a study out of washington, which looks at the daily number of expected deaths in the united states and it has found over these months, 10% more people are dying every day across the country than what we normally see on average. in places like new york, it is double the number of daily expected deaths. that is a staggering impact. >> yeah. there is no question. the way they do these studies and it is tough to talk about, because we're talking about, you know, people who have died probably that otherwise wouldn't have, preventable deaths for the most part. between 2014, 2019, you get an idea in this country of how many people die within certain months, certain weeks of the year, and start to average that and one of the things that they are looking at this year then is seeing how does this year compare to years past on average? and as you point out, it varies a bit, if you look at the t

ashish ja, director of the harvard global health institute. always good to have harvard in the house. welcome back to "prime time." listen, with all due deference to dr. birx, she is welcome on the show, i don't like her side of the controversy. the idea that it's in the editing phase would not prompt a cdc official to say they are ignoring us, because as you probably are aware, people are worried inside the cdc. they think they are not being taken with the same kind of wait as the economic exigencies. what is your perspective on what matters here? >> absolutely. thanks for having me back on, chris. a few things, first of all, the open up america again plan that the white house are leased i have said before was directionally right. it had the right principles. one of the things i said it's pretty vague. it doesn't have a lot of details. so they asked the cdc to fill in the details, and the cdc did. they put together an evidence-based approach. i don't know what it means to be in the editing phase, but what i know is the american people aren't

ashish jha. sanjay, the president is denying he said anything negative about the cdc at the luncheon with republican senators yesterday. sources at the cdc say the white house is prioritizing politics over science. >> they've been at the forefront of all previous outbreaks, epidemics, pandemics. you remember tom frieden, he's the guy we heard from during ebola. they're really critical. we know there were problems with the testing that they first released earlier on, and that seems to have really been stuck to them as we move forward. we're not hearing from the cdc as much. they are some of the best especially depidemiologists in o now give us a sense of how we navigate forward, how we start to think about life in the midst of a pandemic. schools, summer camps, getting on flights, all those things. i think they're critically important. i think it's too bad, given their worldwide reputation, that we haven't heard more of them. >> dr. jha, the cdc has released detailed guidance on reopening the coun

ashish jha, the director of the harvard global health institute. dr. jha, good to see you as always. what's your message to lawmakers today? >> so good morninging. my message to lawmakers is that we can open safely, and protect public health and get our economy going, but we have to let science and evidence drive that decision-making. and we are not doing that. not nearly as much as we need to and i am worried that until we do, it is going to be difficult for us to move our country forward. >> so what does that look like? i don't think you're going to find a lawmaker who says i don't want evidence and science to drive this. at least not publicly. so what would we do differently? >> so we could begin with the white house's own guidelines on opening up america. while i have some modest disagreements with, is largely right. it is largely scientifically driven. so the key principles are 14 days of declining cases, adequate testing and tracing capacity in place. most states don't meet that. a few do. they can probably open up safely. but most states don't.

ashish jha. dr.w unusual is it for a company that's never brought a vaccine to market to get this much money from the federal government to create a vaccine of this type? >> yes, so jake, things for having me on. it is unusual. it's very unusual. but we are in unusual times. this technology has been developed, we think it has some reasonable chance of working. i'm comfortable with the idea of the u.s. government making a bunch of bets. because if they can bring this to market, and they're not the only ones in clinical trials, there are others, but if any of them could bring something to market in a year or less, that's great. unusual, but we're in unusual times. >> the nih is testing it on humans without waiting for animal trials. i spoke earlier this week with dr. paul offutt, i'm sure you're fami familiar with him, from the institute of pennsylvania. he says what worries him the most about getting these vaccines to market is that steps are being skipped or compressed for expediency. obviously we're

ashish jha. the news being reported this morning, moderna, the drug company is moving into phase two of the vaccine, meaning that phase one went well enough that they're making progress. you talked to the folks at moderna yesterday so what do you know? >> yes, so they just released a press release as well about the phase one day pa, very early but if it holds up, very encouraging as well. there's two major points here. when you're doing these vaccine trials, the first phase is really to look for safety, and so far, the safety data does look pretty good. again, they have to analyze that, but they also looked into trying to figure out in response to these vaccines were people developing antibodies, a term that people have come to know but basically it's the body's response to a virus, and they want to make sure the antibodies, which could fight the virus later on, were, in fact, being produced when given this vaccine, and the answer is yes, at least in this early, these early results. not only were

ashish jha, it's always a pleasure.hank you so much for giving us the facts. >> thank you. >>> new data warns of significant shortfalls in covid-19 testing in countries facing humanitarian crisis. the head of the international rescue committee joins me straight ahead. >>> a third arrest in connection with to the shooting death of ahmaud arbery. he was shot to death while jogging. the man who videotaped arbery's final moments is in jail. he's facing felony murder charges. gregory and travis mcmichael, the men seen following and shooting arbery in that video, were charged with murder and aggravated assault. brian's attorney says he was just a witness who saw the chase from his home and decided to follow and start recording. in a police report, the mcmichaels said that brian played a part saying he unsuccessfully tried to block arbery before he was fatally shot. you wouldn't accept an incomplete job from anyone else. why accept it from your allergy pills? flonase sensimist. nothing stronger. nothing gentler. nothing lasts

ashish jha, thank you forgiving us the facts this morning.nce the coronavirus started spreading across the u.s., there's one non-medical and disturbing trend we have been following. more than 30% of americans say they have witnessed some kind of bias against asians during the pandemic. advocacy groups and researchers have also reported a spike in anti asian discrimination. now front line workers who are asian-american are having to fight racism and the virus. one talked about the juxtaposition of being vilified all while risking her own life. that is dr. lucy lee, third year resident at massachusetts general hospital. lucy, it's great to have you with us. first, can you start off by telling us what exactly happened to you? >> good morning. thank you for having me. two months ago when the pandemic was starting to pick up in the united states, i was leaving work, had been in the operating room all day. it was still broad daylight, early afternoon and i was walking out of the hospital, had really just left the entrance and i saw a man in dark cl

ashish jha, director of the harvard global health institute and at this point in the crisis, dr. jha, thank you for joining me. is there a level of testing and tracing that we can do that will allow us to make the decisions about reentry or reopening in a way that is not as political as it has become? >> yeah, so thank you for having me on. it's really actually surprising that i think a couple of members of congress decided that testing people to keep them safe is a partisan issue. we had on our panel two former republican fda commissioners, both of whom have come out often saying we have inadequate testing and we need to ramp up testing. it's really stunning. as i said, there's nobody in america, no public health official in america that i have met who thinks testing is not an important part of this. so to your question, is there a level? there is. and experts have some level of disagreement about what that is. no one thinks we're meeting the current -- the level that currently we have enough, but our assessment is we probably need about 900,000 tests a day, other people think w

ashish jha. he is a professor at harvard medical school.is also a practicing physician and public health expert, who says he is worried, among other things, about the mushy, weak, watered down guidance dribbling out of the cdc, in the middle of the greatest public health threat this country has seen. what is screwing things up at the cdc right now? at this time, when we need them the most. joining us now is dr. ashi ashish jha. dr. jha, thank you for taking time to be here. i know there is a lot of demands on your time right now. >> rachel, thank you so much for having me on. >> i wanted to talk to you tonight because, honestly, i was struck by the bluntness of your criticism of cdc, in this piece. i have been chasing something that is driving me crazy, which is that i feel like the cdc started to produce very non-cdc-like guidance or lack of guidance when it came to them investigating that big meat plant outbreak in sioux falls, south dakota. i'm worried that there's something broken inside cdc, which is why we're not getting the kind of g

doctor ashish jha is focused on those very questions as the director of the harvard global health institute. we're going to talk about that and the c.d.c.'s role in responding to the pandemic. dr. jha, thank you for joining us again on the "newshour". so what should ideally happen before a state starts to reopen? >> yes, so thank you for having me on. you know, the president's own guidelines, which are ones that w all largely agree with, suggest that states have to dramatically reduce the number of cases and then have adequate testing, tracing and isolation infrastructure. both of those are necessary. some states have reduced their number of cases, but very few states have the kind of testing necessary to really safely reopen. >> reporter: and, so, when we learn, as we did today, that the white house has rejected a proposal -- a very detailed proposal put together by the centers for disease control, the c.d.c., and said, essentially, it's up to the states, what does that say about having the right period oright -- the right prote right safety precautions in place before people are allowed t

today the mantle from the movie called man to man is parked in the homestead ashish to devlin is the public dodge plant alongside exhibits dating back to 945. in the 1991 over a 1000000 people flocked to see the movie. 11000000 movie it was watched it on t.v. . the mantle was a success on the silver screen agree and not many cars stopped. the flow of terrorists it received the girlfriend of the protagonist betsy in the film was played by an actress who lands. i. have. to me it was a really big thing that was my 1st the after motion picture. the course was my vote of course. we had no idea it would be such a hit. and so many german movies were showing in germany at the time that this success was really something special. about us alaskan spends on the us and we have the internationally famous producer band i sing on board if some of us are wow then you would be working together with very prominent people especially those on the. right has been that i've been in the film business for 27 years but i only ever have to say i'm who she from month to month and at least in germany everybody

ashish jha, thank you for joining us as always. dr. jha: thank you.: in france, kids are going back to school as the government relaxes lockdown measures. but the education minister tells are not returning as much as wealthier families. parents can choose wther to send kids to class or keep them home. lucy williamson has more. lucy: not a place with a medical image, thisdionservative al cap is known across france as the place that refused to open any of its state primary schools because of three suspected cases of coronavirus. veall ince tested negative. the town's right-wing mayor says her decision was very popula here. there is too much pressure on parents, she says, because the government has asked each family to decide if thei child should return to school. >> i think it should be eher obligatory or not, because it creates a sense of guilt for the parents. if they send their child to school and they get gick, they felty. if they don't and the child. i'm, you feel guilty. --the child falls behind, you feel guilty. lucy: the street was full of paren

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ashish jha is the director of harvard global health institute. >> every state can't figure out the whole thing by itself, and you need federal guidance and a new national strategy for having enough test and making sure the right kind of people are being tempted. >> reporter: well, president trump says the u.s. is outperforming every country when it comes to testing, as he tries to reassure americans who are going back to work. today, he said if there is a second wave of infections, which health officials warn is very the country again.t shut down norah. >> o'donnell: all right, weijia jiang at the white house tonight. economy since mid-march almost half of all adults have either lost income or someone in their household who has according to a new government report. cbs' mark strassmann reports tonight from florida. >> reporter: florida is a tough place to be jobless. >> there's nothing yet. >> reporter: donald estrada is a laid off maintenance man in miami. he's owed six weeks of state and federal unemployment benefits. look at his bank balance-- .66. >> every time i wake up in the morni

dr ashish jha is director of harvard university's global health institute.reaction to the warning from the who. we are, you know, early days u nfortu nately we are, you know, early days unfortunately in this long pandemic and even if everything goes very well and we have a vaccine sometime next year, we are going to have many, many more months of many more cases, so more months of many more cases, so unfortunately we are still early and this very long journey. some countries have obviously done a very good job, south korea is hailed as a model and rightly so. even countries like germany and others have done a very good job where the us has been quite a leg and moved very slowly on testing. it is puzzling to me because it is such an obvious thing to be doing from a public health point of view. we are thinking about the northern hemisphere as it goes into the fall and winter months. i think there is good reason to believe we will have a second peak. there is good reason to believe it could be substantially worse than the first peak we just saw experienced and

i've been speaking dr ashish jha, the director of harvard university's global health institute. with the who's warning. i do. we are early days unfortunately in this long pandemic and even if everything goes very well and we have a vaccine sometime next year, we are going to have many more months of many more cases so unfortunately we are still early in this very long journey. you spoke to congress and told them that testing with at the heart of any effort to stop the virus. how do you think countries around the world are doing in this respect? the variation is really quite stunning. some countries obviously have done a very good job, south korea is hailed as a model and rightly so. even countries like germany and others have done a very good job whereas the us has been quite a laggard and has moved very slowly on testing. it is been puzzling to me given it is such an obvious thing to be doing a from a public health point of view why some countries have been slow on this. you have warned that a second peak could return in the autumn. talk me through what that might look like and

well, so much to get into here — and i'm glad to say we're joined by dr ashish jha, the director of harvardnk you so much forjoining us here on bbc news. a stark warning from the who today. do you agree with them? i do. we are early days u nfortu nately with them? i do. we are early days unfortunately in this long pandemic and even if everything goes very welcome and we have a vaccine sometime next year, we are going to have many more months of many more cases so have many more months of many more cases so unfortunately we are still early in this very long journey. he spoke to congress and told him that testing with at the heart of any effort to stop the virus. how do you think countries around the world are doing in this respect? the variation is really quite stunning. some countries obviously have done a very good job, south korea is hailed as a model and rightly so. even countries like germany and others have done a very good job whereas the us has been quite a laggard and has moved very slowly on testing. it is been puzzling to me given it is such an obvious thing to be doing a from a p

let's go over to the map where i want to show you 1st of all let's start by explaining where this ashish island is because most people look at this and they're starting to wonder where we're talking about it's right over here is part of the paris cell island by the way he's islands are tiny so it's not like we could even show them on the map of we wanted to this ones off the coast of vietnam little further south these are the spratly islands so these are the parasol islands even. spratly islands this whole area is filled with these islands and here and most of them are contested the entire area is called the south china sea that's the point of contention states and the united states for its part has been engaging more and more in this region militarily and the app is what has china sewing gree so maybe the real question here is this what is it suddenly about the south china sea that makes it so that it. it contains $11000000000.00 barrels of oil they have found $190.00 trillion cubic feet of natural gas 10 percent of all the world's fisheries reside right here 30 percent of the world's s

ashish, i'll start with you. the main push back is if, if, if. darkest winter. we don't know anything about that. there aren't as many dead people as initial models that showed hundreds of thousands dies and millions of case. we know it's bad. there's too much doomsday analysis trying to hold us back. >> so first of all, i would say the last two months have been hard. we have been sheltered in place. yet 80,000 still died. millions have been infected. as we open up we'll see more cases. we are going to see more death. no question among any public health expert about whether we'll get a second wave. we surely will in the fall kp winter. so the putin move is plan for it and be prepared when it arrives. >> in terms of bright's claims and credibility. what did you take away from today? >> it sounds a little apocalyptic. but i agree. we're going to have a double barrelled winter season with both the flu and covid-19. there are things we can do. the question is not whether or when to reopen, that will be decided by the leadership at the state and local level. the ques

. >> ashish ja, andy slavitt, brother, thank you. appreciate you both. hope you have good weekends and hope your families are happy and healthy. >> thanks, chris. >> all right. you want to check something out that's interesting? take a look at this. see this map? these are all the states that are starting to reopen this week. all across the country. question is, are some of these states reopening too quickly? how can that answer not be yes? none knows how many cases they actually have. they are all flying blind to different degrees. how is this okay? we're going to take this on. and, also, coming up, we have two big-city mayors, from two different states, that are both reopening but with very different strategies. okay. another window into taking a critical look at why are you doing this? next. memory, focus, accuracy, learning, and concentration. try neuriva for 30 days and see the difference. still fresh... ♪ unstopables in-wash scent booster ♪ downy unstopables >>> what happens when you fly blind? you don't know where you're going. coronavirus deaths,

ashish jahi. thank you for being with us. >> thanks for having me on. >> president trump now says he has been taking hydroxychloroquine for about a week and a half despite the potential risks and fda warnings, so let's just listen to what he said about this drug. >> the fda also gave emergency authorization for hydroxychloroquine. we're having some very good things happening with it. it's shown very encouraging, very, very encouraging early results. there are some good signs. you've read the signs. i've read the signs. i say it. what do you have to lose? i say it again, what do you have to lose? take it. if things don't go as plant, it's not going to kill anybody. it will be wonderful. it'll be so beautiful. it'll be a gift from heaven if it works. >> if some other person put it forward and say, oh, let's go with it. what do you have to lose? try it if you like. i've seen things that i sort of like. what do i know? i'm not a doctor. i'm not a doctor, but i have common sense. >> and he isn't a doct

ashish jha. you've been following the world health organization meeting. what was the reaction to donald trump's letter? >> well, this is the letter, lawrence. and you can't help but wonder whether it was written when president trump woke up on monday morning and saw president xi giving the address to the assembly, the first address from a major world leader during perhaps the most important meeting in its history. and you pointed out some of the issues with this letter. right at the end there, what president trump says is if the world health organization does not commit to major, substantive improvements within the next 30 days, i will make my temporary freeze of united states funding of the world health organization permanent. that's where it stops. it doesn't tell you what those improvements, those substantive improvements are supposed to be. so where does that leave u.s. allies, like britain, france, germany, like australia, which was pushing for an independent investigation into how china handled the early days of the coronavirus. because if the unite

ashish jha and dr. ranney a brown university researchers and emergency room physician in rhode island. when you hear dr. fauci say january can't guarantee it, is that reasonable or unrealistic given your understanding of all of these vaccine trials under way? >> good morning, john, thanks for having me back on. i would say that's incredibly optimistic. look, there's nobody i trust more on this than dr. fauci. and so i'm not going to contradict him. but i look at the same data and i think, january would be wonderful, but -- >> dr. ranney, you're treating patients, obviously, and we're talking during the break about boston and rhode island having issues. are their patients in your hospital getting this drug remdesivir as helpful, not a game changer, but helpful to people who have severe symptoms? >> so up until just a couple of days ago, remdesivir was only available in the context of clinical trials. now that they've created that emergency use authorization, we'll be able to start using it for the sick p

ashish jha, director of the harvard global health institute, and john heilemann, national affairs analyst msnbc. dr. jha, i want to get your sense of where we are tonight. it seems like new york is on a down slope, but is it -- is it, in fact, the case that the rest of the country, when you look at the country as a whole, we're at a plateau, we are not actually moving downward? >> thanks for having me on, lawrence. what we have is a tale of two countries. we have new york, new jersey, connecticut, parts of other places where the cases are declining. ohio, california, where if you put them in aggregate, the number of cases is declining. and then you have the rest of the country, the second half of the story, where it's not just flat, it's actually rising. not everywhere. some places it is flat, some places it's low. but aggregate, the rest of the country is increasing. so this whole idea that -- and that's why on average it comes out flat. but this idea that the country is ready to open up does not comply with the facts and data on the ground. >> doctor, what about regions of the country?

ashish jha and dr. megan ranney, emergency room physician. thank you for being with us this sunday.nversation you've tried to push the country to accept is the need for more testing. you were saying that you thought your estimate might be conservative. now you say we need even more testing. the gold states meet the minimum standard, the light red states are close, and the dark red states are way behind, far fewer testing than you believe is necessary. even governor cuomo saying his state is making progress. where are we in testing? >> the good news, john, is we are making progress. testing is better now than it was two weeks ago. and -- but we are for many, many states far behind. the reason we have to update our numbers is because all the models have changed and the number of cases and the number of deaths has gone up and so you have to have more testing the bigger outbreak you have. one of the things we learned this week, john, as the virus has hit the white house, the white house coming out and admitting that testing is a really key part of keeping businesses safe. they're testin

ashish jha, director of the harvard global health institute. dr. jha thanks for taking the time.uci, dr. birx say it's possible by january of next year. tell us how realistic that time frame is, based on what goes in to developing a credible vaccine. >> yes, so good morning and thanks for having me on. so that is an incredibly ambitious time line. like usually vaccines take several years to develop. obviously we are trying to speed the process up as much as possible, and i've been saying 12 to 18 months, if everything goes super smoothly. january would be only about seven months away, so look, miracles can happen. it could come together, but i'm certainly not banking on it and i don't think we should all bank on a january availability but i'm hopeful that sometime in 2021 we will have a vaccine. >> so the administration has now identified 14 potential vaccines. do you know what has gone into that decision-making? are those 14 credible candidates at this point? >> so there are a good number. i don't know the specifics of what criteria they used. i can say there are at least eight

all right, doctors ashish jha and michael osterholm. >>> that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. >>> hi there. i'm stephanie ruhle. it is tuesday, may 5th, and this morning, we're get something stunning new projections about the price this country may have to pay as we try to get back to business in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic. here are the facts this hour. new york and california have announced plans to begin loosening restrictions on businesses over the next ten days. washington state begins phase one of getting back to work today. even so, the numbers keep rising. more than 69,000 americans have now lost their lives. nearly 1.2 million we've known to be infected. but as i said, new projections show those numbers could skyrocket in the coming months. a draft government report obtained by "the new york times" and confirmed by nbc news projects up to 200,000 new cases a day by the end of may. it also projects roughly 3,000 deaths a day. at the very same time, a model out of the university of washington is now doubling its

ashish jha, dr. seema yasmin, appreciate it very much. stay safe out there.thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >>> so president trump is taking aim at michigan's attorney general over face masks. is that just the latest spat between the president of the united states and michigan state officials? michigan's attorney general, dana nestle, is standing by live. you see her right there. we have lots to discuss. we will, when we come back. special delivery ♪ (for just $100 a month. switch to sprint and get four lines of unlimited plus, we're throwing in four samsung galaxy phones...on us. and now, sprint customers enjoy access to expanded coverage on the t-mobile network. for people with hearing loss, visit sprintrelay.com. yoo-hoo, progressive shoppers. we laughed with you. sprinkles are for winners. we surprised you. on occasion, we've probably even annoyed you. we've done this all with one thing in mind. to help protect the things you love. and if we can't offer you the best price we'll help you find a better one. it's not always the lowest! even if it's no

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