but ashish jha points out there's a big cultural difference as well. ha: and that is kind of the rule-following mentality of the swiss. that the government says, "you must buy health insurance," and everybody says "yes, ok we will buy health insurance." and so, as opposed to in america, where we bristle when the government tells us we have to do anything. and we bring up the broccoli argument: what if the government made you eat broccoli. the swiss don't worry about eating broccoli. they think "if the government thinks that's something we ought to do, we'll do it." for the record, the preston girls, not big fans of broccoli, but sabine and jason are fine with it. they also know the insurance mandate costs them a lot, but they see it as part of the greater good. part of being swiss. brangham: i think i know why the swiss are so healthy, it's cause they breathe that mountain air and get those use of the alps all the time; that's why their system works, it has nothing to do with their insurance system, right? jha: if we all could look at the alps all day,

little later we're gonna be talking with us doctor ashish jha, dean of the brown university school of public health about the big announcement tonight from the new administration, new president, new administration. biden administration, the cdc and the fda announcing that it is okay to resume the administration of the one shot, johnson and johnson covid vaccine. they did find some additional cases of women under the age of 50 getting blood clots after getting the johnson & johnson vaccine but the cases were so rare that the cdc review concluded that many, many more american women's lives will be saved by resuming the administration of that vaccine then will be put at risk by this one where side effect. we're gonna talk with doctor about that announcement tonight and some of the lingering questions around it like, why it seems to be, if not only, predominantly women, and young women who have had this side effect? also, some comments the administration made today, both this morning in a public interview from the nih director and also tonight, on the press conference announcing the resum

ashish jha, dean of the brown school of public health.ing us tonight. >> thanks for having me, rachel. >> it was a very transparent process today, including us all being able to see the discussions today and last week as they considered the data. >> first of all, it was a very transparent process. everybody could see all the data, all the discussions were out in the open, as it should be. i totally agree with the decision. i'm not sure that the ten-day pause was totally necessary. these are incredibly rare events. that said, they did it out of caution, i think that's fine. and now it's time to resume it. these are really, really safe vaccines. there's no drug, no vaccine that's completely risk-free. these are among the safest vaccines we have out there. i think they made the right call by resuming it. >> one of the things that's interesting is that among the cases they identified of this rare side effect, which led to the pause, which they say they've now evaluated and considering them, it's still safe to resume the use of this thing, the

ashish jha, the dean of brown university school of public health. good morning. thank you so much for joining us. i want to speak to you specifically about michigan. nearly 7,000 new cases yesterday. the second highest number of u.k. variant cases in the united states. what is behind the rise in cases there? >> yeah, good morning, thanks for having me on. you know, what's going on in michigan is complicated. there isn't a single explanation, but they were the earliest to get hit by the b.1.1.7 u.k. variant. the second is there's a little bit of a cost here in the fact that michigan did very well in november, december, january. they had a much higher proportion of their population, vulnerable, than other states who saw much higher infection rates, and the combination of those two things, the fact that a lot of michigan is pretty open, a legislature that's pretty opposed to any kind of public health restrictions, put it all together, and unfortunately, that's where michigan finds itself. >> we should share with our viewers that you have been advising michigan's gov

ashish jha. good morning. dr. jha, i know you say that pausing the j&j vaccine was the right call. i just wonder if you can explain that to folks so they understand because 6 out of 6.8 million doses, that's less than 1 in a million. i asked a doctor, what's the risk of severe disease from covid? and they said it's probably about 55 out of that same population, chance of death. that's a big difference, right? it would seem to say that the risks outweigh -- the benefits, rather, outweigh the risk. i wonder why you disagree. >> thanks for having me on. let's be very clear. i think the benefits of this vaccine way outweigh the risk. one does not do this lightly. i think there are two good reasons for the fda to look at this. one is to gather information. 6 out of 7 million is a tiny number. your risk of getting hit by lighter is greater than having this reaction. so it's very rare. but let's gather more information. and the second is to advise physicians about how to treat it because it's an unusual type of blood clot. ultimately, jim in my mind, what this is signaling is that the sys

ashish jha now, dean of brown university school of public health. doctor, thank you. how concerned are you about this rise of the uk variant in children, especially considering they likely won't be able to be vaccinated until the fall at the earliest >> yeah, shep. thanks for having me on. i am concerned you know, the b.1.1.7, that uk variant, is more contagious in everybody, in adults and kids. so it makes sense that we're seeing a bump in infections in children and we're not seeing a lot of infections in older people because we're getting them vaccinated, and that really leaves young adults and kids vulnerable to b.1.1.7. one of the reasons we can't totally relax right now is we've got to really bring these infection numbers down. >> we've been hearing from the very beginning, i can remember in the early going leaving packages outside in the sun or wiping stuff down from ups now the cdc says forget about all that wiping stuff down that's not a thing why so late in telling us this >> yeah, it's late it's late. i think by last april, may, it was very clear look, in th

ashish jha, dean of the brown university school of public health. thank you for being with us.'s dig in. case numbers are rising. here we are on another holiday weekend. what happens if americans don't stick to social distancing and mask guidelines this weekend? >> yes. so good morning. thanks for having me on. you know, this is the probably te last holiday where a vast majority of americans will remain unvaccinated. obviously if there are vaccinated people getting together over the holiday, great, but if you have unvaccinated people mingling, i worry about another surge. that's what we see every holiday, and given this is the last one, i'm worried that people can hold off this weekend. be careful. i think we'll be in a much, much better place. >> let's look at some of the cdc's new travel guidance. for domestic travelers, no tests or quarantining are recommended for fully vaccinated people. for fully vaccinated americans returning to the u.s. from overseas, the guidelines call for a negative test before boarding the flight home and a test three to five days after returning, bu

ashish jha, dean of the brown university school of public health. dr. jha, when you hear about the temporary shutdowns in north carolina, that semiarbitratempo shutdown in colorado, going to make people nervous. are you at all concerned tonight? >> reporter: yeah, so, david, thanks for having me on. we've given out more than 5 million doses of the j&j vaccine. this is not surprising. you're going to see these reactions. they should investigated closely. i suspect we're going to find that there isn't any systemic problem. i'm not surprised. this is such a high profile rollout, we are going to see things like this. >> let's hope they don't find a systemic problem and this is just following the guidelines to shut down temporarily. in the meantime, the other key part of whit's report, the young people across this country. and young adults in their 30s and 40s showing up at hospitals with severe disease and the correlation, many haven't been vaccinated yet. >> yeah, absolutely. the good news is, we've vaccinated older people at a higher rate. that's terrific.

ashish jha, dean of brown university school of public health, slamming the cdc decision on twitter saying, quote, we're in a pandemic. short pause to alert folks is reasonable. waiting when it's unlikely to change what we know is not. meantime, worries about vaccinations lagging while the virus rages in michigan. since last week covid deaths have spiked 39%. icus were seeing 25% more patients. and as for the johnson & johnson vaccine, the cdc advisory panel is hoping to make a decision within the next ten days. mona. >> faith, thank you. >>> the biden administration is expected to announce new sanctions against russia today. the new financial penalties are retaliation for russian cyberattacks that breached several government agencies as well as the kremlin's interference in the u.s. election. similar punitive measures by the u.s. in the past have failed to stop russian aggression. >>> cia director william burns has delivered a sobering message to congress just as president biden announces plans to withdraw troops from afghanistan by september 11th. burns told lawmakers once the troops lea

ashish jha. dean of the brown university school of public health. dr. jha, always great to have you with us. first off, we want to get your reaction to the decision late today, the breaking news, to get this vaccine up and running with a warning now. the right call? >> yeah, david, thanks for having me on. absolutely the right call. look, these are extraordinarily safe vaccines. 1 in 500,000 people having these significant clots -- way, way rarer than most adverse events. i think the cdc's advisory committee absolutely made the right call. it's time to get these vaccines back into people's arms. >> doctor, we know these are rare cases, these reports of blood clots that have occurred in women. they say look out for severe headaches, abdominal pain, leg pain, trouble breathing. you and i have talked about this before, it's a pretty generalized list, so how do you balance alarm with the proper caution here? >> the symptoms associated with these are quite severe. this is not a normal headache. this is not a kind of, oh, my leg hurts. these are going to be pr

ashish jha, dean of the brown university school of public health. and dr. jha, thanks, as always, for being here. we heard dr. fauci there make the point today that the chance of this happening is less than one in a million, but at the same time, obviously it's concerning when you hear one person has died, another is in the hospital. so, help put this in perspective for us. what is the appropriate level of concern and do you agree with this pause? >> david, thank you for having me on. this -- these are very, very rare events. i mean, if you think about it, one person has died after months of vaccinations. 1,000 people are dying almost every day from the disease itself. so, there is no question these vaccines are very safe and effective. but out of an abundance of caution, the fda did put the pause in. i agree with it. it shows that the system is working to protect people. i expect the pause to be short-lived and i expect us to be able to get back to vaccinating people on a regular basis with this vaccine. >> and dr. jha, i wanted to get back to what steve re

ashish jha, dean of the brown school of public health, back with us again tonight. dr. jha, always great to have you with us. i wanted to get your reaction to what we just heard in kaylee's report there. we're hearing differing definitions of what we're witnessing in this country. and in that piece, we heard, we are just at the beginning of this surge, we haven't begun to see it. and the numbers are quite something. deaths climbing in 18 states, a 23% jump in hospitalizations in the upper midwest. how do you define this? what do you expect? should we be prepared for a potential surge here? >> david, thanks for having me on. i am worried about where we are. i do think we're in the beginning of another surge. i don't expect things to get horrible the way they did over the holidays, because so many older people, so many high risk people have been vaccinated. but we are seeing a real surge in cases in young people, a lot more optizations and i'm worried they're going to be followed by some number of deaths that are really unnecessary. >> are we seeing a direct correlation ye

ashish jha, dean of the brown university school of public health. dr. jha, as always, thank you for being here. first, you suggested this was coming from the cdc, this updating of their mask guidelines, saying for the most part that fully vaccinated americans can now go outdoors, no masks. do you agree with the move? >> i do, david, and again, thank you for having me back. i think this is a really good move. it tells us we're making progress in this pandemic. getting vaccinated makes a big difference in terms of being safe and i welcome this move by the cdc. >> so, we know if you're fully vaccinated, now you can lose the mask outside, in small gatherings with family and friends. still wear the mask at major events. concerts, sporting events. but i'm curious about all the stuff in the middle, the busy grocery store parking lot, the farmer's market, passing people on the sidewalk. do you wear a mask or is it okay not to? >> i think it's largely okay not to. again, if you're fully vaccinated and you're outside, whether it's a farmer's market, that parking

ashish jha the dean of the brown university school of public health.k you very much for joining us tonight. i am sitting here now with two shots of moderna in me. feeling fine. when might i need another, and how long is this going to last. how long are my two shots going to cover me? >> lawrence thanks for having me on. i too am sitting here with two shots of moderna, feeling quite good. in my best guess is that i might need a booster next year. we don't know for sure, as doctor fauci said, there's a lot to sort out. the science on this is not clear, but the evidence so far says, that these vaccines have a very strong level of protectionist six months. i would not be surprised if it lasts at least a year. but it is possible that for the first couple of years of this pandemic, we are going to need annual booster shots. i don't know for sure, small chance it will be earlier. but that's my best guess. >> do we already have information about that slope downward that doctor fauci was talking about? >> for example if it's 95% when it's relatively fresh, let'

ashish jha, the dean of the brown university -- sorry, i've got a cough drop in my mouth.o suck on this thing at the same time. dr. jha you've just written a piece in the "washington post" headlined india's kroefrs surge could collapse its health system. the u.s. can help, are you encouraged to hear the biden administration is sending therapeutics, ventilators and other items, is that enough? >> yeah, fred, thanks for having me on and the situation in india is heartbreaking. that story alone is just one of thousands happening every single day across that country. it's in big trouble. it is in big trouble. their government has not done a good job of anticipating and managing this pandemic, certainly not this wave. and the u.s. has a lot of capacity here. so in my op-ed i wrote out a list of things that i thought the u.s. government can do. and same thing today closely matches that. i'm very encouraged. there's a lot of details to be sorted out but i thought it was a really big step in the right direction. >> the u.s. has an estimated 35 million to 40 million doses of the as

ashish jha. welcome back, dr. jha, this morning. this weekend is easter sunday.any want to get together for the holidays. what is your message on this holiday weekend? >> good morning, george. thanks for having me on. my message is clear, if you've been vaccinated, it's pretty safe to do that. if you've not, this is probably the last holiday where it won't be safe for unvaccinated people to mingle together. we're so close to the finish line. i just want people to hold off just a little longer. i know that's hard with easter and passover. >> it certainly is hard. today we're seeing new cdc travel guidelines. what makes sense right now? >> yeah, right now we are seeing a surge of cases across the country about two-thirds of states are seeing it so what i've been asking people is to do is as little as possible and hold off until the end of the month where i think we'll be in better shape. if you need to travel and you've been vaccinated, i think that's pretty reasonable. but i would cut out unnecessary travel and i would hold off if you've not been vaccinated. >> le

ashish jha, also an indian american says only the united states has the technological know-how to bendnistration you wanted to do. >> i think there was a lot of focus on making sure anything we can do to increase vaccine production and supply is being mobilized. helping with oxygen concentrators and supplies. different companies have different capabilities, and the u.s. government has its unique capabilities. from our side we really focused on providing the most helpful information. there are 600 million people connected to the internet and they're looking for information about vaccine and testing. so working with the ministry of health in india, making sure we can get the right information on the ground has been a big focus for us. as for us partnering with ngos and public health organizations to get the messaging out. it's important that people are able to stay home and mask and stay safe. so we're helping get the message out in partnership. >> on the first irk you you just mentioned, sundar, which is vaccine supply, the u.s. will send its astrazeneca vaccine, some of it to india whe

ashish jha, thank you very much. we appreciate it. >>> and now how one hospital is treating covid patients who have been sick for months. >>> president biden meets today with members of congress holding to build support for his massive infrastructure plan.e $2.3 tril be one of the biggest investments in public works in a generation. it's already been criticized by republicans and some democrats. nancy cordes is at the white house. nancy, what do you expect from this meeting? >> reporter: well, it's a stab at bipartisanship, anthony. the president is sitting down with four democrats, four republicans, trying to find some common ground on infrastructure. but republicans want a package that is about a quarter of the size of the one that the president has proposed. and if >> reporter: on "60 minutes" last night, jerome powell said the economy is about to take off. >> we're approaching 6%, 7%, the highest in many years, or even a little higher. >> it seems like you're not expecting a recovery, you're expecting a boom. >>

ashish jha, dean of brown university school of public health. good to have you back. >> good morning. thanks for having me back. >> two competing pressures right now. emergent spread of variants. more transmissible, that kind of thing. and then a higher and higher vaccination rate. which of those two forces is winning out right now in this country? >> yeah, so as you might imagine, it's playing out differently in different states. and that's why actually i think on a federal level we need to shift our strategy. in some states, vaccinations have gone very well. variants are not quite as much of a problem. and case numbers are declining. california is one of them. other states like michigan, they are doing a perfectly good job on vaccinations. they have a huge surge. and the third part of this is that there are states which are slowing down vaccinations because a lot of the hesitancy and building up stockpiles. so the federal strategy now has to be to shift more vaccines to places like michigan that are surging so they can use more vaccinations to

ashish jha, dean of the brown university school. welcome back, dr. jha. know, i was talking to the cdc director rochelle walensky the other day and she said she was cautiously optimistic. can we say confidently the worst is behind us and we've reached a turning point? >> good morning, george. thanks for having me on. i think we can confidently say the worst is behind us barring some crazy unforeseen variant that none of us are expecting to happen, we will not see the kind of suffering and death we have seen over the holidays. i think we are in much better shape heading forward. >> new york going to begin to re-open july 1st but broadway theaters aren't re-opening. large venues aren't ready to re-open yet. when should we return to theaters, concerts, sporting events? >> it's a very good question and i think it depends on two things. first is going to be how many people get vaccinated. if vaccinations continue, if we can get 80% plus of adults vaccinated, that will make an enormous difference. theaters and other places can put in testing and other things to

ashish jha, dean of the brown university school of public health. dr. jha, thanks for being with us. yes, now we know the uk variant is the most common source of the virus here in the united states, and what are you anticipating in the weeks ahead? is it possible, can we actually vaccinate our way out of this? >> yes, so good morning, thank you for having me on. it's going to be tough. this was predicted. we expected the uk variant to become dominant. and we're doing a great job on vaccinations, but vaccinations alone are going to be difficult to manage this pandemic. it would be helpful to have some public health restrictions still for a few more weeks. i think by the time we get into may we'll be in much better shape, but the next few weeks are going to be pretty tough. >> something especially troubling especially to parents is hearing this news that younger people, even children, may be more affected by this uk variant. what can you tell us about what this is doing in our younger population and how concerned should we be? >> yeah, so, it's more conta

ashish jha says is fresh air. >> we know that the virus largely spreads indoors, that there's very little transmission outdoors, except in some very specific circumstances. >> reporter: researchers at oxford say while the data is limited, indoor covid transmission is nearly 19 times as likely as outdoors. experts at northwestern argue keeping masks on when you're outside even after you've been vaccinated is not only a social courtesy but helps model the behavior yet. >> we've worn ours since the beginning. >> reporter: for both sides of the debate, rusty's seafood and oyster bar in port canaveral, florida. the owners have their own rule, the state doesn't. >> if ear' a guest inside the building walking around and once at their table they can take it off and hav dinner. >> not that hard to wear a mask. i don't understand why people are so resistant. >> reporter: do you wear a mask when you're out for a walk? >> no. no. no. >> reporter: but you have it ready? >> i have it ready always. >> reporter: the cruzy family from iowa doesn't believe in the science behind the vaccine or mask. >> no o

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ashish jha dean at the university of public health.y don't we start by breaking down this guidance? >> yeah. listen, the bottom line here, there is a big, long, cdc graphic that is color coded green, yellow and red explaining it all and the bottom line is if you are vaccinated you can do everything outside without a mask and the only caveat being if you go to a big sport event and a concert then they do recommend you put the mask back on. if you are not vaccinated you can go out and exercise without a mask, you can go for a walk, walk the dog and they are urging you to keep the mask on if you are around other people who are not vaccinated or if you eat outside. the bottom line is that the cdc is acting on science which suggests that the risk is very, very low if you are outside of contracting covid. so we put the question to dr. fauci on the "today" show, what took so long? why is the cdc only now coming out with this guidance? >> there's always that argument that the cdc tends to be a bit conservative and they do that because they wan

as ashish jha. until next friday so this could be out of circulation for almost two weeks at a minimum. are they acting fast enough and what are they waiting for and looking for to make an actual decision here. >> good morning, abby, thanks for having me on. a couple of things. i think the initial pause made sense when we didn't know much about what was happening, just to take a pause to tell doctors about this, this blood clot needs a specific type of treatment, all of that made sense. i think the ten-day delay worries me that the advisory committee is not taking into account the cost of the delay. not everybody could just go ahead and get the moderna and pfizer vaccine, there are a lot of people for whom the j&j vaccine that is safe and effective could not get the shot if the delay lasts much longer. >> dr. ranney, to that point, is the vaccine worth the risk and people have been asking me, should there be narrowing recommendations who who should get it and who shouldn't. if you have a history of

ashish jha, the dean of brown university school of public health. dr.for joiningjoin ing us on "new day." you say april will be the month that really decides the trajectory of our country and coronavirus. >> good morning. thanks for having me on. we really are at this inflection point. on the one hand we're seeing this surge of cases in about half the states. the variants have become dominant. b.1.1.7. is now probably 60%, 70% of all infections in the united states. but vaccinations are going great. vaccinating 2 million people a day. so if we keep going on vaccinations and we prevent large outbreaks in the month of april, by the end of april, we'll have a large chunk, almost half of all adults, i think, should have at least one shot by the end of april. and, boy, may, june, july, all of that starts looking way better. so the key at this point is prevent the big outbreaks. keep going on vaccinations. this is the month we turn the corner. >> that's great news. and that's really promising. and vaccines are going to continue a pace regardless of what peopl

ashish jha >> there's essentially no risk if you're walking down the street, even if you're running andreathing hard, of giving somebody covid or getting covid from somebody else one of the reasons outdoors is so much safer is whenever you breathe out, it gets quickly diluted with all of the fresh air around you the virus really infects people when it accumulated and builds up in poorly ventilated spaces >> a review of studies of transmission of the virus, published in the journal of infectious diseases found that fewer than 10% of infections happened outdoors. and that the odds of indoor transmission were almost 19 times higher and local leaders are taking into consideration that people are getting vaccinated, which makes things safer and that the potential to lift outdoor mask mandates could be an incentive for those not vaccinated yet >> if you want to get rid of the restrictions, go get vaccinated. and we're going to have to keep masks and restrictions in place until we're 100% sure we're out of the woods >> now, many experts point to israel as an example, which lifted its outdoor m

ashish jha is calling on the biden administration which is sitting on tens of millions of unused astrazeneca vaccines to ship those stocks to india and other countries in need. whit? >> we're hearing more calls for that as well. julia macfarlane for us, thank you so much. we do appreciate it. >>> joining us now is u.s. surgeon general dr. vivek murthy. dr. murthy, thanks so much for joining us on a sunday. we do appreciate it. i want to get back to j&j though. so now that shots of the johnson & johnson vaccine have been cleared to resume, one of the biggest challenges will be restoring the public's confidence in the vaccine. we know potential blood clots are extremely rare, but i think a lot of people want to know how treatable are they if defected early? >> it's good to be with you this morning as well, and i'm so glad you asked about the johnson & johnson vaccine. we have been through, you know, an investigation here of the drug to understand whether these dangerous blood clots, in fact, were linked to the vaccine and how common they were, and the good news is that coming out of this inves

ashish jha, thank you for being with us. the u.s.vaccines, oxygen and raw materials. should the administration go further and ship out astrazeneca vaccines that have been in storage? >> thank you for having me on. i believe they should. first and foremost, i thought the decision by the administration this weekend is terrific. they're doing a lot to help and i think that's great, but we do have different estimates, suggest 30 million, 40 million doses of astrazeneca vaccine sitting that we may surely never use in the united states and shouldn't be authorized to be used here and i do believe we should send them to india. it would make an enormous difference in this hour of need. >> india has been a critical supplier of components for vaccine, is this crisis, this extraordinary crisis there at home going to hamper that supply chain? >> yeah, i hope not, but i think we all worry about that. india is the world's biggest manufacturer of vaccines and many of us had seen india as the place that's going to make vaccines for the whole world. o

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ashish jha. dean of the brown university school of public health. welcome back, dr. jha. let's pick up where eva left off. you've been sounding the alarm about the situation in india. the biden administration is now stepping up ppe and vaccines will be sent. what more needs to be done? what are the consequences if we don't? >> yeah, good morning, george. thanks for having me on. things in india really terrible situation. we really need to help. other countries are also stepping up, oxygen is necessary, medicines, testing kits. there's a whole set of things that india needs. in the short run. we have to help them get it under control. if it spirals out of control in india it's going to be horrible for india and will have huge implications for the whole world. >> let's talk about the situation here at home. we know the cdc is going to put out that guidance on outdoor mask mandates. what makes sense right now? >> yeah, i think we're going to see a pulling back of the mandates. i think certainly when you're outside, out and about, unless you're in large crowded groups, there'

ashish jha, the dean of brown university's school of public health. good to see you. you're pretty plugged in what do you expect when the cdc announces these new recommendations regarding outdoor mask wearing >> good morning, savannah. thanks for having me on. i am pretty confident the cdc is going to pull back some of the mask mandates for outdoors, as dr. fauci said in the last piece. very, very few infections happen outdoors if they happen, they happen in large, crowded gatherings, rallies, packed events if you can avoid those, you don't have to be wearing a mask when you're outside. that's especially true for people who are vaccinated. so i expect all of that to be reflected in the cdc's guidance today. >> let's say i'm walking down the street here in new york. they talked about, okay, you don't have to wear a mask outside potentially, but try to maintain the 6 feet of distance. what if you're walking by, on a sidewalk, and you breathe by somebody i mean, do you have to wear a mask if that is going to happen, or is it really about a congregant setting for an exten

ashish jha, dean of the brown university school of public health. dr.his morning. we always appreciate your perspective. so these pauses there at these vaccination sites as we just heard in whit's report, we shouldn't be concerned. do you agree? this is not something that should be concerning to folks who hear about the story? >> good morning, cecilia. thanks for having me on. i actually see it as the system working. we are vaccinating millions of people every day in tens of thousands of sites. you'll have things like this. i think it's great they took a pause, made sure everybody was okay and resuming after that investigation. we want to do this very carefully and i think things are going much better than i expected. i'm not worried at all. >> i think a lot of people will be comforted to hear you say those words. a lot of folks are getting their vaccines. i assume a lot of folks are heading out today and this weekend to get those vaccines. walk us through what the potential side effects are because there are as there are with any vaccine potential side