ashish jha is standing by to answer your questions., cbs' nikki battiste is going to lead off our coverage from new york. nikki, good evening. >> reporter: major, good evening. the javits center here in new york city has served as one of the world's largest massd's lars vaccination sites, but tonight it's shutting down, just as cases of the delta variant are rising and less than half the country is vaccinated. tonight, pushback from two top federal health agencies on the need for a booster shot, the c.d.c. and f.d.a. telling americans who have been fully vaccinated in a written statement they do not need a booster at this time. it comes after pfizer and biontech officials announced they were seeking emergency use authorization for a booster because antibody levels in the blood may decline six months after immunization. independent studies have suggested that immunity from full vaccination is likely to remain robust for years even against variants. is there some sort of scientific evidence they should look into a booster? >> not at this

ashish jha is a leading voice on covid and dean of public health at brown university. with questions about breakthrough cases, how to boost vaccination rates, and the obstacles to herd immunity, what do dr. gounder and dr. jha say now? >> "fing line with margaret hoover" is made possible in part by... and by... corporate funding is provided by... >> dr. celine gounder and dr. ashish jha, welcome to "firing line." >> thank you so much. >> great to be here. >> the delta variant, which was first detected in india, is highly transmissible and now makes up an estimated 83% of new covid cases in the united states. dr. gounder, why is the delta variant more concerning than all the previous versions? >> the delta variant is by far the most contagious, most transmissible of all of these varian. it spreads more easily from one person to another. and part of that is because the levels of virus that people get in their airways, in their nose, in their throat, are so much higher than what we've seen with previous variants up until this time. >> the former cdc director, thomas fried

ashish jha is the dean of public health at brown university.s listening who are vaccinated and wondering, what should they make of the fact we have this spike in cases, a more transmissible variant but they are vaccinated, what is their risk? how worried should they be? how should their behavior maybe change or not change? >> great, thanks for having me back. those are great questions. here is how i would think about it, here is how i think about it for me. first of all, i don't worry about getting super sick and dying anymore from this virus. that is a huge relief. second is that there is a chance that i might have a breakthrough infection, because there's so much virus circulating in certain communities, particularly the communities with large surges, that we are going to see a lot of breakthrough infections. and breakthrough infections are pretty miserable. some of them are very mild, by the way, but i had colleagues who had breakthrough infections and they can be miserable. a couple of days high fevers, cough, don't feel great, but, again,

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ashish jha is with me now from brown university school of public health. we also have cnn senior data reporter harry enten. great to see you both. dr. jha, i want to look at that cluster map, again. most of these pockets have covid cases going up, right now. and they're at risk for even more deadly variants. i mean, is it a matter of when, not if, more deadly variants will emerge? >> yeah, pamela. first of all, thanks for having me back. it is it's been i think a real wake-up call to all of us watching the emergence of these variants and they always tend to happen in the context of large outbreaks. so i think all of us expect, at this point, there will be more variants throughout the rest of this pandemic. obviously, we hope they don't evade our vaccines. but the ones that emerge tend to be more infectious, more deadly and that's what we have got to avoid and the best way to avoid that is bring these outbreaks under control. >> and, harry, you crunch political numbers every day. and the math of states with low-vaccination rates looks a lot like the 2020 pr

ashish jha, have a great weekend. thank you. >>> joining us now valerie jaret, former senior adviser to president obama and a chafr chair of civic nation boosting vaccinations in communities of color and author of "finding my voice. when the plan crumbles." you know that the biden white house is under a lot of pressure now to do more to stop the spread of the delta variant. they did so well in rolling out the vaccines, but now they're hitting a wall in terms of persuasion. what do you do in term was mandates? >> well, look, first of all. >> we are trying to work with the biden administration to reach those hard to reach people and introduce them to influencers and it doesn't necessarily have to be an elected official. it could be a local pastor, a block club leader, a coach. whoever can best influence certain family members can encourage people to take the vaccine. f mandating it. i think what we can do is say, look, if you want them to make their own decision fine, but we're not going to let you come to sporting even

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ashish jha, the dean at brown university's school of public health. always great to have you on.ovid-19 case rate and the prevalence of the delta variant is highest in missouri and lowest in vermont. this tracks with vaccine data that shows wide deployment in vermont and not so much in missouri. you say the data is clear and these vaccines needful fda approval. how would that make a difference? help us understand. >> boris, thanks for having me on. yes, the delta variant is a real challenge for our country, and the reason full approval from the fda is warranted and would be helpful is as follows. first of all, we have data on hundreds of millions of people who have gotten the vaccines. there's no question whether we have enough data. we clearly do. more than we usually do for most drugs and vaccines. there are people still on the fence who are hesitant because they want to see that full approval from the fda. i think it will help them. there are a lot of businesses that want to mandate vaccines but want to see the full approval from the fda. i think it will help a lot of people g

ashish jha and the dean of the school of public health. news and how far we have come on this, but we are, of course, dealing with the spike in cases in a number of communities, particularly the delta variant creating new threats here to communities with lower vaccination rates. what should we be doing here at this point as we grapple with this challenge? >> yes. kasie, thanks for having me on. first of all, it's great to see that parade happening. we absolutely should be celebrating where we are. as a country, we've made so much progress since last year, but as you suggested, we are not done. the pandemic isn't over and what we need to do is get people vaccinated, one, two and three and if we can get all eligible americans vaccinated, we can put this pandemic in the rear-view mirror, and we have huge challenges to get to that goal. the biden administration has that as the top goal and the president addressed this directly. take a listen to what he said. >> please get vaccinated now. it works. it's free. it's never been easier, and it's ne

i mean, it's easier to do it when you got ashish jha, you know, in your house.r to have comfort on the vaccine but not everybody has that. doctor, i appreciate ya and thank you. >> thank you, chris. >> you know, if you want to get away from this. really, get away from everything. there's so many different viruses, right? you got covid. you got the politics. you got everything going on. how about just blasting off to space? when you are a multibillionaire, like richard branson, you can. you can hitch a ride on your own rocket. less than 48 hours from now, that's exactly what he's going to do. what is a former-top astronaut make of the launch? next. hearing is important to living life to the fullest. that's why inside every miracle-ear store, you'll find better bedtime stories. you'll find a better life is in store at miracle-ear, when you experience the exclusive miracle-ear advantage. it starts with our free hearing assessment. plus innovative products that fit your needs and budget. with free service and adjustments for life. we're so confident we can improve y

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ashish jha also saying despite the news -- >> the vaccines are still working really, really well. >> reporter: in a somber address, president biden appealing to the unvaccinated telling them to quickly get the shot as the delta variant rapidly drives new covid infections nationwide. the president also encouraging states to offer $100 to people who get the jab and a new requirement for millions of federal employees to be vaccinated or face strict covid rules. >> we all want our lives to get back to normal, and fully vaccinated workplaces will, will make that happen more quickly. like facebook, google and netflix now requiring most employees to be vaccinated before returning to the office. right now new covid cases are increasing in nearly state. hospitalizations nearly up to where they were a year ago. the number of deaths also increasing in more than two because most likely my kids probably would have found me. i probably would have died at home. >> reporter: despite the grim update about the delta variant, the cdc is expected to still stress that the vaccines are highly effective. v

ashish jha, the dean of brown university of school of public health. dr. t's good to see you on this holiday monday. thank you so much. we certainly appreciate it. let's talk about this. the biden administration set the goal of 70% for one dose for all americans. they made it to 67%. now people look at that and say they didn't make the goal but there's something to celebrate here, is there not? >> yeah, thanks for having me back. absolutely. i always thought that was the most ambitious goals of the goals the president has set on vaccinations and two-thirds of adlt americans have gotten a shot. that's fabulous and made an enormous difference and i think we should be celebrating. >> but what can we do to convince the others? i know you must feel like a broken record. good to point out the people getting sick from covid are the people who are not vaccinated. isn't that true? >> it is absolutely true. we still have hundreds of americans guying every week of this disease. 99 plus percent of them were people unvaccinated. that's where the virus is circulating amo

ashish jha here to answer your questions. plus: full reopening, the c.d.c.k in the classroom this fall. the new guidance just out. will your child need a mask this school year? oppressive heat, a third of the country now facing anotherda

ashish jha. always great to have you with us. and i wanted to get back to alabama there. governor kay ivey, her comments that made national news, saying it's time to start essentially blaming the unvaccinated folks, were her words. we know that alabama has the lowest vaccination rate in the country. she said, i've done what i can. i have had mask mandates. it's now up to people who haven't been vaccinated to get the shot. how do we get the word out, encourage more people to hear that message? >> david, this can for having me back. i don't know if it's useful to blame people. ly tell you at this point across the country we're seeing a lot of unvaccinated people getting very sick and dying. my message to people is it's about protecti about protecting yourself, your family. these vaccines make an enormous difference in you getting sick and dying. this is how we put the pandemic behind us. >> perhaps a more productive message than the governor, but she was clearly frustrated by the cases she's seeing in her state. and we're also worried about the breakthrough cases among thos

ashish jha. and we heard dr. walensky say there that this is new and worrisome data on the delta variant, something we did not know. that's science for you. the new data shows that vaccinated people with these rare breakthrough cases may be contagious, may be able to spread, so, do you agree with this new mask guidance inside public spaces to help protect yourself, not only from the breakthrough cases, but to protect others from giving them the virus? >> yeah, david, thanks for having me back. i do agree with this. first of all, i think it's worth noting that most trance mission is still happening among unvaccinated people. the breakthrough infections are rare. when they happen, this is surprising to all of us, but with the delta variant, high levels of virus means people can transmit. people wearing a mask indoors makes sense in those high transmission areas. >> you know people at home are going to say, oh, no, are we going back to last year? what do you think about that? >> no, we're not going back to last year

ashish jha, dean of the brown university school of public health. this new data from the cdc raises so many questions about returning to live as we knew it. the delta variant more contagious than the common cold, so what does this mean for the common future? do you see us returning to lockdowns? people wearing masks indoors and out, no matter the area? >> thanks for having me back. the data i find mostly reassuring, and i'll tell you why -- yes, there was an outbreak. yes, many vaccinated people did end up getting infected. they did really well. very few of them ended up getting sick. very few ended up getting hospitalized. nobody died, and the outbreak quickly abated. this is the kind of stuff we should expect. these vaccines are not 100%, but all the data i'm seeing so far says the vaccines are protecting people. as long as we keep vaccinating people, we'll be fine. >> we have our eyes on this outbreak in provincetown that steve was mentioning. 74% of cases among those fully vaccinated, yet we have been told repeatedly breakthrough infections are

ashish jha. great to have you. first i want to get your opinion on updated guidelines for schools. when they said if you're vaccinated you don't need to wear a mask, i thought of kids 12 and under, that's a lot of school children who they're saying should wear masks. do you agree with the guidance today? >> good evening, david. thanks for having me back. first of all, thrilled cdc agrees kids need to be back in school full-time in person. i think kids over 12 need to be vaccinated. whether or not they're wearing a mask, my guess is it's going to be driven a lot by local conditions. if you're in vermont vermont, probably not necessary. in missouri, probably helpful. it will vary community to community. >> we heard something similar from the cdc on that saying look at the local dada and make the final decisions. now let's get to pfizer. the potential need for a booster shot, a third shot. do you agree with the cdc, the fda? they came out quickly saying this was simply too early to declare this. >> we've got to be guided by science and evidence and the science is clear, two shots offe

ashish jha. always great to have you. know you find these new numbers concerning as well, but when you start to hear l.a. county and late today ten other counties in california saying they too would reinstate the mask mandates indoors when you're out and about, even if you're vaccinated, i'm curious, does that make sense to you, and are we at risk here of going backwards? >> david, thank you for having me back. i am really concerned about the state of the delta variant and the rising number of infections we're seeing across the country. i think these counties are acting prudently because numbers are rising so quickly. we can't tell who's vaccinated and who's not, and we know there are breakthroughs for people who are vaccinated so it makes sense in places with high rising infection noubs put the mask mandates back on. >> whit showing the delta variant is spreading quickly, especially in places with low rates of vaccinations buck i know it's not just about getting the word out there. there's real concern for children 12 an

you ashish k. jhaave made some time to answer questions for us. with the 11th hour with brian williams begins now. we 11th ho ur with bria willia good evening >> once aga, day 182 of the biden administration and tonight yet another member of the twice impeached former presidents inner circle is in very deep trouble with the feds and behind bars in fact. >> on lobbying the trump administration on behalf of the uae. he's accused of failing to register with the -- as well as obstruction and lying to the fbi about his dealings with the uk he he's been friends with donald trump since the eighties, barrack helped rescue his business and later became a top -r

ashish jha, dean of the brown university school of public health. thanks for joining us again, dr. let's start with that new study on the johnson & johnson vaccine. it doesn't really track what the other studies out there. what's your big takeaway? >> my big takeaway is, when i put all the data together i i think the j&j vaccine is holding. just fine. we're not seeing large numbers of breakthrough infections or hospitalization in people who have gotten it. i think we need more data. i would not act or worry it isn't going to work for you. >> even though there are breakthrough cases we still know that these vaccines prevent largely serious illness and death. >> yeah, absolutely, and we're going to see breakthrough infections when there are large outbreaks happening overall. when you have lots of people infected and large numbers of virus circulating in the communities, we'll see a few breakthroughs but the good news is people are not getting hospitalized and not dying if they've been vaccinated and that's the key. >> we're getting all the different guidance. what is your advice to p

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ashish jha, dean of the brown university school of public health. dr. jha, thank you for joining us this morning, and we want to talk about the pfizer vaccine, new data that we just heard about. should people who are more than six months out from being vaccinated be getting boosters now and is there potential harm in doing so? >> good morning, michael. thanks for having me back. yeah, i read that data a little differently, michael. i looked at that data and six months out, out of the 22,000 people who have been vaccinated, only one of them had severe illness. so i said, you know, my read of the data is the vaccine even six months out has incredibly terrific protection against severe illness and hospitalizations and deaths. now, that was before the delta variant hit. we don't know how well it's going to do six months out, so i think we need a little more data but i certainly don't think everybody should be going out and thinking about booster shots. i think we're far away from that right now. >> since the data was before the delta variant hit, does that m

doctor ashish jha from the dean of public health. line here as you put it in your piece today. the message on fox remains a mixed one as do the republican party's message. even as the messaging slightly shifts here, where are most republicans publicly on this? >> well, i think republicans are really split on this. what's happening is they're coming up against the evidence that we are seeing around the country conservative spots in america where many people are landing in hospitals sick of the coronavirus. and those who are getting sick, who are hospitalized and dying are by and large the unvaccinated. and we know that republicans are much more likely to be vaccine hesitant than democrats. that has some republicans worried. we saw mitch mcconnell yesterday pleading with people to get vaccinated but still if other corners of the party, republicans are either silent or spreading misinformation about vaccination. >> i was going to say, let's look a little bit more at that, then this divide there seems tok to be in the republican party ri

ashish jha. he's the director of public health. thank you for joining me tonight.hank you for having me on. >> dr. jha, president biden, as you know, announced these new vaccination efforts. we're seeing more red on the states than we ever seen in month. what worries you most about this? >> what worries me most, laura, is that basically we have so many americans especially concentrated in those states who are unvaccinated, who are at risk for substantial infections and hospitalizations and deaths. about 99% of people who are dying right now of covid are unvaccinated. this is completely unnecessary. what worries me is we're not going to make enough progress on this. >> so what more should or even can the administration be doing? he didn't hit the goal that they were aiming for on the fourth of july when it came to total vac vaccination, so what's next? what's left to do? >> i think there are a couple things. first of all, i think the president set a very ambitious goal of 70%. we didn't get there, we got to 67, which is pretty good but we have to do better. i think

ashish jha. dean of the brown university school of public health. welcome back.o the evidence is getting more clear by the day. if ou are not vaccinated, you've got a very good chance of getting the delta variant and getting very sick. >> good morning, george. that's right. the evidence is that this virus is going to be with us for a long time. it's going to become endemic so everybody is either going to end up at some point getting vaccinated or they'll end up getting infecting. people have to be really careful out there if they're nvaccinated and you have to get the shot. >> what are you seeing of reports of vaccinated people contracting the virus again? >> yeah. this is the most contagious version of the virus we have seen throughout the whole pandemic. it's really very, very contagious, and so, if you have significant exposure, you are going to see some breakthrough infections even for vaccinated people. the good news is those people who are vaccinated end up hospitalized or dying, that's what's really useful here. no vaccine is perfectly 100% effective. >> d

ashish jha, the dean of the brown university school of public health.nks for joining us again this morning. dr. jha, how worried are you about the delta variant? >> good morning, george. thanks for having me back. i'm pretty worried. we have large communities in our country that are not adequately vaccinated and for those places, for those people, the delta variant is the riskiest variant we have seen so far. if you're fully vaccinated much less concerning but for the unvaccinated this is concerning. >> that gets to a pretty important point. the vaccines do seem to be pretty effective overall against the delta variant. >> absolutely. absolutely. we have now lots of studies, occasionally you'll see one study say it may not be as effective as we thought but all the other studies so far are showing 85%, 90% effectiveness and really quite terrific and offers a high level of protection. particularly against getting very sick and dying, which is the thing we care about. >> given that we know this disease now is vaccine preventable, is it time not just to enco

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ashish jha. i wonder what you make of these recommendations for schools that the cdc announced today? >> scott, first thanks for having me here look, i thought the opening line of their report basically saying kids need to be back in school full-time and they can be safely was exactly right. so, i do think we're going to have schools back open this fall that's really important. obviously vaccinations are really important part of this. you know, the controversial part around mask wearing, i get that. to me, the way to think about it is if you have very, very low rates of community transmission -- if you're in vermont where most people are vaccinated and you have low number of infections, probably can skip the indoor mask mandates if you're in missouri or alabama or texas where numbers are higher, probably makes more sense to have unvaccinated kids wearing a mask so, i think this will be community by community >> let me ask you about the booster shot debate, which seems to be raging right now pfize

ashish jha, the dean of the brown school of public health. good to see you as always.e to start somewhere else. i have to start in the u.k. the u.k. got to bad the u.s. issued a travel advisory. take a look at this. 69.3% of the u.s. has one dose of the vaccine. in the u.k. it's 88.3%. we've seen cases plummeted even though they've eliminated social distancing rules. what's going on there that we don't understand? >> ali, thanks for having me back. short answer, no one knows for sure, but there are a couple of theories. one obviously is kids are out of school, so that helps slow down spread in schools. second is the weather is terrific and people are spending time outdoors and we know largely the virus doesn't spread outdoors. third is what you pointed out, the huge increase in vaccinations that's happening in the u.k. lots more people vaccinated. they certainly have a high level of a population of immunity and that's helping out. >> an israeli health panel in israel is recommending a third shot for elderly people. i'm always skeptical. if i were a company, i would pro

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ashish jha, thdean of brown university's school of public health. >> dr. jha, welcome back to the "newshour". always good to have you here. people will look at the study and say this tells me if i'm vaccinated, i can steel still get the virus, feel sick, and transmit it to other people. why should get the vaccine. what do you say to them. >> first of all, thanks for having me back on the "newshour". actually, this study, looking at what happened in hon, the vaccine is working exactly as expected. let me lay out why. what you had was an influx of a lot of people coming to provincetown for july 4 celebrations, a lot of unvaccinated people. delta virus surging. you did have a good number of breakthrough infections, not surprising when you have a lot of people packed into bars and clubs. but let's see what happened to those people. almost all did extraordinarily well. a small number ended up in the hospital. no one died, and it did not fuel this massive outbreak that led to more and more casesnd exponential growth. that outbreak memorls faded akay. case number

ashish jha. dean of the brown university school of public health. dr. welcome back this morning. we heard dr. fauci say the cdc might be considering revising its mask guidance. do you think that's a good idea? >> good morning, george. thanks for having me here. you know, i think it will help. the issue really at this point is whether americans are willing to mask back up again. it can be a measure, but what we need is a lot more people vaccinated. that's how we end this thing. >> that's how we end this thing. how about schools though? schools are starting soon as the next of couple weeks. should they be thinking vaccine and mask mandates? >> i think for kids under 12 who have not been vaccinated, especially if you're in a zone with a lot of infections, masks can make sense. for older kids, people vaccinated, imagine a room of vaccinated kids and teachers, it probably is less necessary. i think it's a community community decision. >> one of the biggest things holding people back from taking the vaccine is the fact that there's only emergency use authoriz

ashish jha. good morning. >> good morning, gayle, thank you for having me. >> i'm so glad you are hear. let's start again with the facts. because when i hear people say, i didn't take this seriously. i didn't think that this was something i really needed to be worried about, what more can you say? i think people are getting frustrated because they don't want to feel that it is being jammed down their throats. what can we say? >> gayle, i completely understand. i have a lot of sympathy for people who have not gotten vaccinated. >> you do? >> because they have just been -- i do. i will tell you why. they have just been fed this non-stop diet of misinformation about these vaccines that somehow it was rushed, somehow it's dangerous. and the people who are spreading that misinformation, they are usually -- they usually have an ulterior agenda on all of this. the facts are these vaccines are exceedingly safe and effective. they work at saving liveless. right now we are really only seeing the unvaccinat