ashley judd, gwyneth paltrow. readers read those names and they resonated unfortunately, but they did resonate a lot more than the women, for instance, who were in the stories we did about donald trump. >> was there ever a point you said to yourself, this is a big deal in america, sexual harassme harassment, aggression. let's make this our big -- >> yes, but i didn't know it would be this. i had assigned, i remembered a case in which bill o'reilly was accused of something years and years before, and nothing had come of it. so after the election, and after we had done the trump stories about trump and the allegations of harassment, i assigned a couple reporters to look at that case and it led to the stories that led to bill o'reilly forced out. me and other editors said we need to put together a team. this is a real issue in the country. and i said find out if there are other cases like this and harvey weinstein ended up coming from reporters that way. i did not know this was going to be the moment that it was in t

crenshaw coined the term in the eighties it was understood as academic jargon were now last year ashley judd said it doesn't solve the problem but it does matter what people are thinking about this it is an illustration when it says in the book the arguments that happen in advance we have to air this to get stronger and move forward. we just cannot pretend these angers and resentments it don't exist. so that book is written toward encouraging a moment of conversation even when the anger is directed at us to say no. we have to do this to get to the place we all want to go. >> this is so many great points. so we are watching doctor ford and her challenging the cabin opposition to the supreme court one of the things i found myself thinking as i'm watching the testimony is as a black woman i never wanted so bad for the right woman to do good work. that is that murkiness of the politics of solidarity that all of us have to make choices of the things that make us uncomfortable if used properly could do good work in the world. >> this is the hardest thing to describe about the moment we are having