ashley parker has more on the democrats' frustration. , tim miller, who worked on jeb bush's 2016 presidential campaign, now a writer-at-large. ashley, i want to talk about some of the writing -- for some democrats, that risks a dangerous failure to meet the moment. it's really interesting. as you know, hi empathy and measured tone, compared to a bombastic donald trump, those were critical to his election. what has changed? how will the likes of gavin newsom and j.b. pritzker seemed to fill a void? >> that's right. it is important to node that biden's team believes, correctly, that some of that calm, measured competence is what helped him defeat donald trump. so when there's an onslaught of criticism, think sort of say our -- what has changed is that in a number of threats currently facing the company, democrats view them as existential. it's not a disagreement, but threats to american democracy. democrats feel this incredible urgency, and they don't want a leader who is not going to fight incredibly aggressively. one final point. biden's

. >> boy, ali, as usual ashley parker is right about that but i want to hit on two of the points she said. one is that politics is a game of expectations. the other thing the democrats have been criticized for is that your all over the place on messaging or at worst they don't have any message at all. just listening to what we're hearing from the president, from janet yellen, from members of congress, they suddenly are all on the same page and, boy, nobody expected this bill, right? >> yeah, it was a surprise to see this deal come together the way it was announced last night. senators were both surprised by the timing of it but then also the details. they didn't know what would ultimately end up being in this package. i think ashley is right, as you mentioned as usual, that many of people president bushing for these climate and tax provisions were pleasantly surprised with what's still on the table and ultimately going to be in this bill. i've heard from people focused on element of the care economy, things like paid leave and universal pre-k who were upset they were ultimately not i

joining me now is senior political correspondent ashley parker and joyce vance, a former u.s. rney and now msnbc legal analyst. ashley, can you dive into more of your colleague's reporting and how this relates to january 6th and really how damaging this is to the investigation when you don't know what you don't know? >> well, again, it -- the investigation has a lot of inroads including people they are talking to, and if you just look at that first bucket of hearings that we sauce, and we expect there to be more, they have found out a ton. that said, text messages and email correspondence, these sorts of things are often the most revealing details you could have because unlike someone like say cassidy hutchinson whose testimony was quite damning for former president trump, but it was her recollection. it's what she said saw and witnessed. it's what she admitted and said she saw secondhand. when you have those tense messages laid out, it's just very clear, incontrovertible realtime fact and these, of course, would be incredibly helpful details for the committee to have. >> joyce

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ashley parker is here, "washington post" white house bureau chief and an msnbc political analyst, alsoe i'm so excited to talk to, amanda carpenter, a columnist for the bulwark. the emancipator, a project with the globe that focuses on racial equity and justice, also an msnbc contributor, and former republican congressman david jolly is here, national chairman of the serve america movement and an msnbc political analyst. ashley, i got to speak to your colleague and wingman and co-writer, co-byline on so many of those epic trump reporting feats where 38 to 58 trump insiders are quoted as saying, you know, i know he's insane, i know he's uninformed, i know he's disrespectful but. that's how we got here. talk about that as a repeat theme and excuse structure for everything that happened. >> sure, so we had those people who would claim privately in the moment and then later sometimes when they left the administration that they were the guardrails. that, you know, if they hadn't been there things would have been worse. as bad as that decision or that meeting in the oval office or that you c

ashley parker is here, we're thrilled she has just been named senior -- wait, senior national politicalthe first time she's here, and i screwed it up, "the washington post." also joining us, hugo lowell, congressional report at "the guardian." also jason johnson is here. congrats on your new role. you had the byline, i think, on the first piece of reporting about trump sitting and watching tv, transfixed, i think, was your reporting, shortly after the insurrection. that feels as though it's a fact that has only been corroborated with every insider that has testified to this committee and will feature prominently thursday night. >> that's right. i mean, immediately after the insurrection, we knew, as reporters, that that was the story we wanted to try to get to the bottom of. what was then president trump, this sort of singular feature, doing or, in many ways, as the case turned out, not doing during that period between when the capitol was first breached and when he finally sent out a tweet calling off his supporters, and as we've seen, initially, with our reporting and then with some o

joining us now, senior national political reporter sahil kapur and ashley parker and chuck rosenberg. sahil, it's important that pat cipollone is finally testifying. he tried to avoid it until a subpoena. what are the holes he could fill in the january 6 narrative? >> firstly, cipollone has been at it nearly four hours today in the deposition room speaking to the committee. they have taken a few breaks but he is back continuing to testify. that's according to our colleague who is monitoring it. what does this committee want from him? members described him as a significant witness. one of the members said he was present in key moments that they want answers to regarding the lead-up to january 6. that includes efforts to get the justice department to issue a letter validating then president trump's groundless claims of election fraud. there was a plan afoot to install jeffrey clark as the head of the justice department to move forward with that scheme as well. then there was the explosive testimony from former white house aide cassidy hutchinson who relayed concerns that pat cipollone h

. >> i want to bring in ashley parker, "washington post" senior national political correspondent. we just touched on this. we have throughout this morning. it's hard, except for the fact they tried to put photos out there, to not make comparisons about how different this white house is handling this versus what happened when donald trump, frankly, was much sicker, at least as we know at this point, because he went to the hospital. >> that's right. the moments are totally different. yes, as yamiche and others have said, the biden administration and team does have to deal with the optics, because he is a 79-year-old president. republicans and his rivals will make an issue out of this. let's go back to when former president trump got covid. he public announced he tested positive on october 1, a month before the presidential election. this is before the first vaccines had come on the market. that would be two months later in december. this is before paxlovid, which president biden will take. the trump administration handled this in a very non-transparent way. a bungling and inept way.