>> i will tell you they know who shot ashli babbitt. the shoulder, not in the head, as trump lied, and she was climbing in through a broken window. not out of a broken window. as maria bartiromo claimed. that's sort of a major distinction, but it is lies like those which attempt to frame ashli babbitt as a martyr and the officer who shot her as a villain, even though an investigation by the u.s. attorney's office of d.c. along with the justice department has cleared the officer of any criminal charges. two things are happening here. first, trump and the right wing want this officer's name released. not in the interest of transparency, which i think is actually a fair justified request from the name to be made public, but the reason they want it made public is obviously so they can make this individual's life hell, which is certainly would or will be. second of all, this is one of those rare cases where there's a lot of mystery about what happened to ashli babbitt because we have the entire thing on video. remember, the closest the viole

who shot ashli babbitt. people want to know and why. maria: that is right, i want to talk about that because ashli babbitt a wonderful woman fatally shot on january 6 as she tried to climb out of a broken window. her family has spoken out, her family has been on tucker carlson and they want answers as far as why is this wonderful young woman who went to peaceful protest was shocked, do you have any information, there is speculation that this was the security detail and a leading member of congress security detail, a democrat, what can you tell us in terms of who shot ashli babbitt, what do you know mr. president? >> i have heard that, i will tell you they know who shot ashli babbitt, their protecting their person, i've heard also it was the head of security for a certain high official, democrat. and we will see, it is going to come out, it is going to come out, what happened to ashli babbitt and what's happening currently to people that are incarcerated and it would be one thing if you did that, but why blm, the death and the destructio

who shot ashli babbitt? are they keeping that secret? who was the person that shot an innocent, wonderful, incredible woman? >> ashli babbitt was killed by a capitol police officer after she, among others, tried to squeeze through a smashed window o of a barricaded door. the justice department cleared the officer of any wrongdoing. but none of that apparently matters to the former president. >> who shot ashli babbitt? who? who shot ashli babbitt? >> reporter: in speeches online, even on t-shirts, the effort to turn ashli babbitt into a martyr is steaming ahead with pushers of the big lie of a stolen election demanding to know who shot her and why. >> boom, right through the head, just boom. there was no reason for that. >> reporter: they get this part correct. babbitt, a 35-year-old air force veteran, was unarmed and killed during the capitol insurrection by a police officer whose identity has been kept quiet. >> you can just kill people, unarmed women and you don't have to admit who did it. >> reporter: but

who shot ashli babbitt? people want to know and why. >> well, that's right. that because ashley babbitt, a wonderful woman, fatally shot on january 6th as she tried to climb out of a broken window. what can you tell us in terms of who shot ashli babbitt? what do you know, mr. president? >> i will tell, you they know who shot ashley babbitt. they're protecting that person. >> now, babbitt was shot in the shoulder, not the head as trump lied and she was climbing in through a broken window, not out of a broken window as maria border amount claimed. it's sort of a major distinction, but it is lies like those which attempt to frame ashli babbitt as a martyr and they are officer that sharper as a villain. even though the investigation of the u.s. department has cleared the officer of any criminal charges. two things are happening here. first, trump and the right-wing want this officers name released. not in the interest of transparency, which i think is a fair justified request for the information to be made public. but the reason they want to public is obviously s

ashli babbitt an air force veteran from san diego shot and killed by capitol hill police. >> he's got a gun! [ gunshots ]. >> sounds like a gunshot. >> u.s. capitol police officer brian sicknick died from a stroke one day after being attacked by rioters. couy griffen like others cannot accept their so-called peaceful protest led to death so they deny it. let me just ask you, do you believe officer sicknick died because of the riot? >> i'm not so sure officer sicknick is even dead. >> couy. >> i'm serious, that's how -- and i hate to be so crazy conspiracy minded. i'm not so sure ashli babbitt is dead. >> couy. >> who is to say -- have you seen anything of her family? >> up until the point she passed, we lived two blocks apart. >> the answer is yes. >> through high school me and my sister were best friends. >> this is ashli babbitt's brother roger. he and his 35-year-old sister were very close. >> it was weird because we saw it on the news and it was like, you know, that's my sister. >> he says his sister was a tomboy who joined the military out of high school. >> she could do anything

anniversary by echoing a recent refrain from the former president, asking the question, who killed ashli babbitt? a press release? republican congressman paul gosar of arizona, a member of congress who should be far more famous than he is. he writes, it is unjust to sweep ashli's death under the rug. her life mattered. we do not allow the execution of citizens by street justice in our country. babbitt is the 35-year-old woman who attempted to charge into the speaker's lobby where members of congress were present at that moment on january 6th with a violent mob breaking down windows, braying for blood at her back. when rioters broke the windows of these doors right there leading to the lobby, which is right outside the house chamber, ashli babbitt and her alone vaulted through, the first one to go through, though there was a gun drawn and a warning, and she was shot and killed by a capitol officer that you see there on the other side. her death is obviously a horrible tragedy. it never should have happened. she never should have been there. she never should have been in that position. the key que

let's listen. >> and by the way, who shot ashli babbitt? who shot ashli babbitt? who?babbitt? we all saw the hand. we saw the gun. i spoke to her mother the other day, an incredible woman. she's just devastated, like it happened yesterday. devastated. you know, if that were on the other side, the person that did the shooting would be strung up and hung. >> that is just so sick. does trump understand that his election lie is the reason people like ashli babbitt were inside the capitol? just incredible stuff, michael. >> he has to know it. and so his lies told over a period of months propelled ashli babbitt to be there that day. and she was literally climbing over people to get through the broken glass into the house chamber. it's known who shot her. it's been investigated and reviewed. i think that officer has suffered trauma. babbitt's family has suffered trauma. she lost her life. for him to get on stage and bellow like that as if there's some deep, dark secret is appalling. >> yeah, and i hate to bring it up on july 4th because we should all be coming together as a c

that rioter, ashli babbitt. she was shot and killed while trying to climb through a broken window in order to access the speaker's lobby. >> there were no guns in the capitol. they burned -- except for the gun that shot ashli babbitt, and nobody knows who that man -- why isn't that person being opened up and why isn't that being studied? they have already written it off. they said that case is closed. >> well, no. they know about it. they know all about it. that officer who risked his or her life, by the way, to defend the u.s. capitol that day was cleared by any wrongdoing by federal prosecutors. you heard trump say, oh, no guns, except for the one that killed her. no, that's not true. there were guns on capitol grounds brought by rioters. the justice department charged a rioter just last month with bringing a handgun onto capitol grounds. we all know facts have been optional for the former president. and they seem to be now eluding the people that mccarthy is likely to pick to investigate what happened on janu

we still don't know with certainty who shot ashli babbitt.kill unarmed women and don't have to admit who did it. we are hearing reports that officer has been identify. we can't confirm it so we won't give that officer's name. anyone whos and the question who shot an unarmed veteran woman out loud, you must be a russian agent. >> well you mentioned vladimir putin -- one of the more outrageous things he said during president biden's european summit was this accusation about ashli babbitt being assassinationinated. it's a claim that tucker carlson picked up. the twice impeached disgraced ex-president said who killed ashli babbitt? the circle is complete from putin to carlson to trump. >> tucker: let's put dumb middle aged people on tv. not a good idea. the irony is if vladimir putin had a security force execute unarmed women who are protecting his regime, we would call that a terrible abuse of human rights. who did it? that's a fair question to ask. but ask of the biden administration and you are a putin lackey! why don't we know basic facts abo

. >> while you're at it, who shot ashli babbitt?ard also it was the head of security for a certain high official, a democrat. >> speaking to cnn, a law enforcement source knocked down trump's claim outright saying the unnamed capitol police officer who shot babbitt was not part of a security detail for a specific member of congress. also this spring the justice department said it would not pursue criminal charges against the officer involved in ashli babbitt's shooting saying the officer did not reasonably believe it was necessary to fire that shot in self-defense or in the defense of members of congress. despite all of his repeated, false conspiracy theories he talked about over the weekend, a straw pull taken at that conference revealed that donald trump easily won this poll taken among possible republican candidates for president in 2024. wolf? >> brian todd reporting for us from capitol hill. brian, thank you very much. let's discuss with david chalian and dana bash. the former president says love it was in the air during that r

there does seem to be an attempt to make ashli babbitt into the new kyle rittenhouse, make her into a martyr. we do a lot of stuff on policing here and there are a lot of police who are a problem. this police officer was not a problem. he defended the lives of cowering, terrified members of congress, who if ashli babbitt who was a trained air force specialist to kill -- she was a military member -- if she had gotten through that door, god knows what kind of harm she could have done. what do you make of this attempt to turn her into a martyr? >> i think it's -- you know, there was a moment right after this insurrection when it was so raw and the revulsion against it was so intense that you saw even republicans in congress or republicans writ large wanting to distance themselves from it. and now i think they have a double think about it, right, because it's almost like holocaust deniers. it didn't happen and if it did, they deserved it. you have a significant number of republicans. there was a recent morning consult poll. there's a significant chunk of republicans who believe it was ant

let's take a listen. >> and by the way, who shot ashli babbitt? who shot ashli babbitt? who? who shot ashli babbitt? we all saw the hand. we saw the gun. >> of course the doj ruled the officer acted in self defense, that's obvious for those watching the clip. what's your take on why this rift is being repeated by ex-president trump. >> listen, this is not true. seth rich, this president will exploit anything, anything, even the tragic death of his own supporter, to promote himself. it's horrific, it's grotesque not at all surprising. >> what do you think is behind it, though? >> again, it's -- i think to a point trumpism, the head space, let's see how far i can go. what can i convince my supporters of? and in service of my own self promotion, to make me look better, aggrieved, injured like the victim. he is the victim in this scenario which is mind boggling, boggling. >> i think that's the button that's being hit. all right. switching topics. >> all right. >> you ready? >> i don't know. >> all right, all right, all right. matthew mcconaughey said america is just going through

. >> we mourn the death of ashli babbitt. from a crowd of rioters who crashed through the capitol. she was shot in the incident and that is horrific and that's one of the facts that should be investigated, but if you have the former president and essentially his chief ally in congress marjorie taylor greene think that this is what it should be about -- >> i think to eva's point, this is politicized by the very nature of the lawmakers who are pushing some of these theories. it's remarkable we're subscription months from that insurrection and wee at that point we're not at an honest effort to do a fact-finding mission to find out what happened in this unbelievably ugly moment in american history, but we're past that point. i think trump's role will being are interesting, how much of trump's political future is going to be about going back and doing revisionist history around january 6th and the election. seems like quite a bit at this point. it seems like a choice he's making. it's going to be how much republicans follow him. >

. >> who shot ashli babbitt? it's got to be released. how come so many people are in jail over january 6? >> ashli babbitt is the woman who was shot dead as she tried to break into the speaker's lobby. today, six months later to the day, republican congressman paul gosar put out a statement echoing the former president's call for the officer to who shot her to be named. that officer has been cleared of criminal wrongdoing. he has been receiving death threats, according to his attorneys. trying to expose him for doing his job is how the congressman is marking this day. six months to the day other people who stood up to the former president and his lies have gotten death threats. not only that, the family of one person who stood up for the truth got them as well. georgia's secretary of state's wife telling reuters, she received threatening texts. you and your family will be killed very slowly one of those read. another warned of an unfortunate accident the family would have. still another read, we plan for the death of you and your family

three things happen when you turn ashli babbitt into a martyr. ection. you're making it not so bad. they were in the wrong place at the wrong time doing the right thing. ashli happened to be in the wrong place. secondly, you minimize the violence and the gravity of the threat that that day posed to our absolute democracy. thirdly, you're putting a target -- here is what's also really disturbing and law enforcement needs to pay attention to this. anybody who thinks that trump or the gop backs the blue, check this out. we have the president basically demanding the identity of the law enforcement officer or agent who did his job, who was investigated and found to have done a righteous shooting in terms of defending himself and others from an eminent threat, demanding the name. why is that? because it would be okay to identify this agent and expose that officer and his family to danger, risk, safety and threats. that's what this president wants to do to someone who tried to protect democracy. >> charlie, i'm with you. it's sort of a known and brazen s

at the same time this martyrology around ashli babbitt is telling. really their hearts are with the insurrectionists and think what they were trying to do, what donald trump thinks they were trying to do is good and just and only problem is it didn't succeed. >> and dean, you have a third of republicans who filed to run in 2022. echoing the very big lie that brought those very people to the capitol. do you think that democrats -- are they alarmed enough about this? this terrifies me. i don't know if they're alarmed enough about it. >> no, they should be watching your show every night, joy, to understand the stakes and how to frame this. it's about framing. democrats don't grasp the fierce urgency of now. martin king talked about voting and civil rights, we're talking about our democracy sustaining and enduring going forward. those are the stakes right now. gop are not fearful of donald trump, they agree with trump. at his rallies cheering. people interviewed afterward saying that if trump is not reinstated will be a civil war. i don't hear republican

>> first, ashli babbitt was not shot in the head.et struck her left shoulder. he's wrong about that and lying. second, there certainly was a reason. the mob she was part of was trying to batter their way into the speaker's lobby. on the other side of the door were members of congress being evacuated. in other words, the mob could be perceived as a direct and immediate threat to their lives and that of the officers who were protecting them. the third, the matter was studied, to use the former president's word, and the officer who shot ashli babbitt was cleared of any criminal wrongdoing. fourth, his name is being withheld because according to his attorneys, he's being threatened with death threats. exposing him, the former president doesn't care about exposing him to threats of violence. after all, that is what got him banned from social media in the first place. joining us is a supreme court litigator, lau rinse tribe, co-author of "to end a presidency, the power of impeachment." putting aside the former president is announcing this

. >> and by the way, while you're at it, who shot ashli babbitt? why are they keeping that secret?on that shot an -- an innocent, wonderful, incredible woman, a military woman, right in the head? and there's no repercussions. >> that's not the first time he's misattributed where ms. babbitt was fatally wounded. according to the coroner's report, she was hit in the left shoulder and it's a tragedy that her life was taken. the disrespect, though, for the -- this person's family is stunning. to be so in love with the way that last line sounds. shot in the head. that he just keeps saying it, regardless. do you think he actually cares about ashli babbitt? do you think he actually knows about her life? i don't think so. as you know, the mob she was part of was trying to batter their way into the speaker's lobby of the house. on the other side of that door, are members of congress being evacuated. what would have happened, if the -- she had gotten through and the mob had gotten through? you can figure it out. in other words, the mob was a direct and immediate threat to their lives or at l

caller: yes, i would just like to know who killed ashli babbitt. that's it.ost: the independent line. caller: hey there. i discovered a website called the real law news.com. and it tells them about the military, the tribunals that they are having at various places, and the clintons have been sentenced, james comey has lost his head. brendan has been put to death, adam schiff is guilty of treason , susan rice and also william barr. it is very interesting website if people want to check it out. it is called realrawnews.com. host: what is the purpose of these obvious false reports? caller: they are not false. host: you are saying they have been arrested? caller: that's what i'm saying. they've been arrested, and hillary was hung back in april. host: this is the hill this morning, the opening of the olympics in tokyo. the headline, joe biden attends tokyo olympics opening ceremony, leaving the -- leading the -- kicking off a unique olympics. the look picks are -- the olympics are his first international trip with the first lady, seen wearing a black mask. pennsyl

the name of the person who allegedly shot, the only person who ended up dying during this riot, ashli babbittre being withheld from her grieving family, but there is a reaction from the top democrat on the intel committee. watch. >> very specifically dangerous when the president is trying to reveal the identity of a police officer that he knows he may put their life in jeopardy if that person's identity becomes public, so it's very serious, you know, as well as just sort of banning this right wing talking point. >> laura: congressman, are you surprised they want to keep this hidden, obviously, other incidents across the country of police officer involved in a controversial shooting, demands are made by most people, including democrats, to reveal identity. >> look, i don't have enough information of what transpired at that moment. i do know if we did an investigation, we look at all -- the capitol police did an amazing job that day, but adam schiff, to be a part of this committee, the individual who said he had proof about russia ahead of time when he lied to the american public time and again

i want to ask you about this ashli babbitt thing because there seems to be an attempt to make her the new martyr. and we do a lot of stuff on policing here. and there are a lot of police who are a problem. this police officer was not a problem. he defended the lives of terrified members of congress who if ashli babbitt, who was an air force specialist trained by air force specialists was trying to kill. if you got through that door, who knows what kind of harm she could've done. one of you make of this attempt to turn her into a martyr? >> i think there was a moment right after this insurrection that was so raw and the revulsion against it was so intense and you saw even republicans, and republicans in congress but also republicans at large wanting to distance themselves from it. and now i think they have sort of a double think about it and it's almost like holocaust. it didn't happen, and if it did, they deserved it. you know, you have a significant number of republican so it's a recent warning consul poll. there is a decent amount who still believe it was antifa who stormed the capi

i would like to know who shot ashli babbitt? who shot and aren't armed air force veteran -- and on armed u -- unarmed air force veteran who should not have been in that building? host: paul from kansas city says, kevin mccarthy has no interest in justice. pelosi accepted three and jordan. dave, illinois, why does pelosi play politics with everything and not strive for true facts. we need troops, not power. mccarthy should pull all the members. william, ohio, go ahead. caller: it is just a kangaroo court. just like everything else. a waste of taxpayer money. it was all right, all the hearings the republicans had on an illegitimate deal. jim jordan thinks he is the arresting officer, the judge, the jury, and the executioner. as far as i am concerned, everything to do with the government is a waste of taxpayers' money to have some idiots representing like we have from ohio. that falls back to our great speaker of the house. it is a shame that we have let our political system get to this. i will never vote again in my life. i am 86

i also want to follow-up on what you said about ashli babbitt.are interested, go to our website, c-span.org. we interviewed congressman markwayne mullin's, a republican in the chamber that day, who was talking to protesters, ready to fight, he said, and he talked about giving a hug to that law enforcement officer who shot ashli babbitt, and he said he had no choice, that that was the last line of defense and he had no choice but to do that, so if you are interested, go to our website, c-span.org. you can find the interviews there with the congressman. we interviewed democrats and republicans who were in the chamber on january 6 giving their first-hand account of what happened. in conway, arkansas, democratic caller, good morning to you. caller: good morning. good morning. i just wanted to say that i watched january 6 live while all that was going on and i was in straight shock and utter disbelief at the way things were happening and i watched the hearings yesterday. to hear those cops, those police officers that put their life on the line to prot

ashli babbitt was shot and killed. sounds like we have evan hill back. evan, are you here?> yeah, sorry about that, chris. >> no sweat. i'm going to go back to boylan in a second. but if you could tell us how you got all of this footage together. >> right. we took advantage of the fact that never before had you really seen rioters, insurrectionists filming themselves in real time from hundreds of different perspectives. that amount of information actually was almost too much for us, and one of the big peeves of the project was how do woe organize and put all those pieces of footage together. documenting that and spread sheeting that and logging it according to the time was half of the project and not more and we had to start putting together a narrative of how this actually occurred. >> one thing that becomes clear in your documentary that wasn't clear to me before is that there really is a relatively small organized cadre of folks, the proud boys, the oath keepers, who are at every key moment instigating and penetrating these defenses, and then that sort of swells the mob

as for the ashli babbitt thing, what is it republicans always stay -- say? don't commit a crime and you won't direct -- get arrested? these people broke the law, that is it. she probably wants to be closer to the truth. everyone should want to know the truth. host: jamie with a question, do bank robbers investigate their own bank robberies? this from lynn saying kevin mccarthy could pick five republicans but nancy pelosi has the right to veto his picks. mccarthy better not sit on it. nancy will not allow anyone on if they are with trump. karen is joining us from new hampshire, republican line. good morning. caller: good morning, thank you for taking my call. my opinion is the fact that as far as cheney goes, what she had to say about tv for everybody to hear what she thought about donald trump and how she was going to make sure that he never served again in any position. which makes her -- the republicans know darn well that this is why she went. they all think it is about donald trump. the fact is that he wanted there to be the military people there. on tha

her name was ashli babbitt. rep. gosar: was she armed? mr. rosen: i need to be respectable of your observations and i don't want to talk about individual situations. rep. gosar: you're wasting my time. no she wasn't. was her death a homicide? mr. rosen: congressman, i am not trying to be unhelpful. rep. gosar: i understand by your cutting my time. the death certificate says it is a homicide. mr. rosen: congressman, i will have to say the same thing. i don't want to get into -- rep. gosar: thank you very much. chief contee, what of the rules of engagement at the d.c. protests? chief contee: at d.c. protests, sir? we engaged in situations where there was an attack on officers. rep. gosar i: appreciate you and thank you for your service. my constituents demand answers but the truth is being censored and covered up. as a result, the doj is harassing peaceful patriots across the country. without accurate answers, conspiracies continue to form. write enabler. washington state representative objected to the electors in 2016 without the required supp

committee and all the questions that remain, on the videotape that hasn't been revealed, released, the ashli babbittoting, it's no wonder that people are like, wait a second, accrue, and insurrection, calling this a clue? fbi saying it's the biggest thing that happened in the history of the country, they have hurt their credibility across the board on a myriad of issues. >> and i think most americans, whether the riot is done by people on the right are left, they want people held accountable. what is so difficult for people to understand right now is that all of america endured a summer of unspeakable violence where the white house was besieged, or federal court houses were under, where police precincts were taken over, were people's houses and businesses were burned to the ground, dozen of people were killed, and the fbi was nowhere to be found in this operation. they weren't infiltrating groups like antifa, they did nothing to stop it. everyone stood down. if anyone tried to do anything about it, they were treated horribly by the powers that be, then when this happens on january 6, it turns out we

but the leader cult, and now we have the creation of martyrs like ashli babbitt. he draws a lot of things from fascism, both italian fascism and, of course, nazi-ism. and january 6th, i was shuddering that so many americans but with the added thing it was like a leader rescue operation and he called the faithful there. then he set them on the capitol, and this film that was playing as they left was just -- it ended with just trump's face up there. so this is entirely fascistic. so this leader cult and the psychological warfare and all of it is -- it's very -- it's very apropos, this analogy. i'm not surprised he had those fears -- general milley. >> you think about the third reich, the reichstag. you don't think that's hyperbole? you think that's -- >> i think that he knew how many extremists were around, and this was -- you know, this was a coup attempt. i will only call it a coup attempt. technically it was a self-coup. it was somebody already in power and wants to stay there. but it had a lot in common with -- there were months of recruiting and planning. now,

but the leader cult, and now we have the creation of martyrs like ashli babbitt. he draws a lot of things from fascism, both italian fascism and of course naziism. january 6, i was shuddering like so many americans. with the added thing, it was like a leader rescue operation. he called the faithful there and then he set them on the capitol. and this film that was playing as they left was just -- it ended with just trump's face up there. so this is entirely fascistic, this leader cult, the psychological warfare, and all of it, it's very apropos, this analogy. i'm not surprised he had those fears, general milley. >> but you think about the third reich, the reichstag. you don't think that's hike hyperbole? >> i think he knew how many extremists around. this was a coup attempt, technical a self-coup, somebody who is already in power and wants to stay there. but it had a lot in common. there were months of recruiting and planning. what he couldn't get, because thank goodness for general milley, he couldn't get the armed forces so he had to put together his own army, hi

week conservatives have been posting a the name of the officer they claimed shot insurrectionist ashli babbitted by trump. aisha, what are these people trying to accomplish by this? >> you know, rev, it seems to me that this is equivalent of attempting to put a hit on somebody by putting out names in this way. trying to incite a mob to go after that person, be it digitally or in person, it just seems to me nothing good is to come from this and the real intention is to try to do harm to whoever's name it is they're throwing out there. there has got to be reprimand, way to hold people accountable to potentially putting someone in harm's way. >> the house select committee to investigate the events of january 6th, their first hearings are supposed to take place by the end of the month. michael, do you expect the minority leader leader to name members? and how do you expect that to impact the first hearings if he does? >> i think he should. i hope he will. i think that it's a real problem to find the right members for this task simply because the action of the president and his supporters -- former

mischaracterization of an on-duty police officer who used deadly force in the shooting death of ashli babbittm the involved in serious use of force incidents. per the investigation to play out. well, in this case the investigation did play out. that officer was justified. and finally i asked him to publicly denounce any active duty or retired law enforcement officer that participated in an insurrection at the capitol on january 6, and in doing so, betrayed their oath of honor. i have received no commitment as to any of those things, none whatsoever. in fact, he offered me only access to the national f.o.p.'s wellness program. i told him if i had waited six months to get mental health treatment, i'd be dead. >> officer michael fanone, we're glad you didn't wait. we're glad that you're getting the help you need. we're glad you're speaking out and telling the truth, reminding the world of what happened, what we all know happened, despite what others choose to say. so, thank you. >> thank you. >> thanks for being with us this morning. >>> next, a mother will share her story of regret after covid

capitol police officer who shot and killed ashli babbitt, one of the rioters on that day.st for the big lie. but senator kevin cramer wants nothing to do with that. listen. >> i'm a citizen of the united states. that's why i have the right to know. why don't i have the right to know? why don't you tell me that? >> well, first of all, the person that shot her -- i don't know who it is by the way. because the person that shot her is a police officer shooting a criminal violating -- not complying with officers telling her stop, don't come through that window. we have guns drawn. don't do it. they're protecting people. and the officer was found to be innocent of any wrongdoing. and so -- >> so you do know his name? >> i'll look into it and see what the law says about the release of the name. i personally am not -- i'm just grateful for the person why honestly. >> according to the doj, capitol police officers were evacuating lawmakers from the house chamber as babbitt and others in the mob were attempting to break into the speaker's lobby which connects directly to the chamber.

you osmight hear the name ashli babbitt, the air force veteran shot and killed in the capitol riot.mentioned her name in an interview on another network today and it got a lot of notice on social media. this is what president trump does well, frankly. he entertains. he riles up his base. he's not making a policy based pitch, nor is the republican party, nor is frankly the conservative movement at this point. so this is all aligning, cpac is right where he wants to be to stay in the political discussion. >> a lot has changed since february. and that straw poll that trump won as you're referring to at cpac in florida. from the economy is taking quite the swing, to many more americans are vaccinated, to business has opened up. so there are some other potential candidates who might give him a run for his money. florida governor ron desantis is one of them. how and why? >> so governor desantis has a couple built-in advantages. his re-election for governor is in 2022, so after that, if he wins, he'll be free and clear to concentrate on a 2024 presidential run. he's young and he's in his e

at a rally last night he asked several times who shot ashli babbitt, referring to the rioter shot byolice defending the capitol while trying to crawl through a window. we've all seen that video. he went on to say there was no reason for the officer to shoot her. mr. chairman, what is your reaction to that? >> well, i am disappointed that here we have the president of the united states fanning the flames of what happened during an insurrection. he should be embarrassed. >> well, former president. >> former president. but he should be embarrassed. there's no question. those things that occurred, many of them, was at his encouraging. but we'll look at the facts. he invited the majority of the people to come to washington on january 6th, even tweeted that it would be wild. wild would be an understatement compared to what really occurred. but for him to continue to castigate those brave capitol police and other security personnel who saved the life of not just the vice president but the speaker and all of us. he should be praising them for the good job they did, but now he's condemning th

lives were in danger and allowing one more day for paul and his ilk to fundraise to distract with ashli babbitt day he teem seems to get more extreme and no ethics complaints or charges, stripping of committee assignments just look at marjorie taylor greene's carnival barking. wrote this in a report. fuentes largely avoids blatant white supremacist language, focuses on anti-establishment thinks, targeting mainstream and leftists, this allows america first to attract younger, mainstream conservatives then exposed to the ideology. that is happening across parts of the right and online. it's popular sadly with a lot of people. >> absolutely. we just finished a study at polarization and extremism innovation lab and found individuals exposed to these memes and messages through what we call subversive outlets, are more likely to be persuaded by right-wing propaganda. getting in front of eyes and appealing. don't seem overtly racist at first but turn that direction and these individuals are vulnerable to persuasion by right-wing propaganda, it is scary and they are persuading people. thanks for your a

and he's gone even further than usual in the past week, asking the menacing question, who killed ashli babbitt? putting the officer who shot her as she attempted to breach the doors leading to the speaker's lobby where congressional staffers were cowering in terror, putting that officer in danger. that danger has been cleared of all wrong-doing. but it's the latest lie that republicans like paul gosar are trying during congressional hearings that are supposed to be focusing on our national security. it's pretty obvious that republicans are doing everything they can to show loyalty to the mango mussolini and not to their country. it's not just the ones currently in office. "the washington post" reports republican candidates for state and federal offices are increasingly focused on the last election, running on the falsehood spread pie the florida man and his allies. but there's nothing like j.d. vance. cnn caught him deleting past tweets critical of trump. he told fox today i regret the tweets and regret being wrong about the guy. i think he was a good president. of course now he wants power be

characterization of the united states capitol police officer who was involved in the shooting death of ashli babbitteir investigation into the shooting and deemed that that officer was justified. i found it interesting that, you know, while the fraternal order of police regularly releases statements protecting and defending officers who have been involved in line of duty shootings, that there was no statement denouncing a elected representative who described this officer as an executioner laying in wait. to me that was insane. and finally, i asked that the fraternal order of police denounce any active duty or retired law enforcement officers who participated in the insurrection at the capitol on january 6th. i could not get a commitment from patrick yose to do any of those things. what he offered me several hundred days after the insurrection was access to the fraternal order of police's wellness program. i told him that if i had waited six months to get help for the psychological trauma that i experienced that day, i'd be dead. >> i'm so proud of you. i'm glad to know you. anything -- anything you

we have already seen the ex-president attempting to make a martyr of ashli babbitt, the woman who wasker's lobby door through the window and was shot by capitol police officer. are you concerned that members of the republican side of this commission will try to make public the identity of the officer who protected a lot of people's lives by having to take that shot that i'm sure he didn't want to take, but he protected people's lives. are you worried that republicans who are out to out this person's identity will use this commission to divulge their identity and put this gentleman in danger? >> i will not as chair allow this committee to be used as a political pawn. we will do what's in the best interest of this country. if i have to as chair protect any and all individuals, we'll do that. there are some people who have already expressed concern about their own safety if they come and testify before this committee. if we have to set up a process by which they testify behind a shield, we'll do that. >> yeah. >> i hope the integrity of this commission will be above reproach. as chair, i

disturbing of all, they are trying to exploit the death of one particular insurrectionist, one ashli babbittk that phony narrative to a whole new level yesterday, baselessly claiming that the shooting was part of a conspiratorial plot involving the capitol police. >> this was a completely phony operation here. they tried -- they tried to take this unfortunate trespass, which shouldn't have been done, and make it into an insurrection. first of all, this is the only insurrection in which a shot wasn't fired. the only shot fired is the one shot by the police officer at an unarmed woman, which they don't want to talk about. so there's a whole plot behind this and i'm not sure i understand all of it. >> okay, maybe he's drinking again because that's not just in incoherent, it's illogical. there's about as much evidence to kill this one insurrectionist as there is china fed in bamboo ballots and they fed the real trump votes to chickens. what happened on january 6th is well documented, it's on tape. as "the new york times" showed, babbitt was part of the violent mob trying to force their way into

why they're trying to make this woman ashli babbitt into a martyr?he broke the law and the officer was doing his job, plain and simple. we want to make sure this is done right and i'm glad that cheney -- she's a republican, but -- [indiscernible] i wish that our politicians would come together and do this thing together, because it needs to be done together as one. whatever we find out -- go ahead. host: thanks for the call. we are getting some feedback. sounds like you are in the car. caller: yes. host: listening on c-span radio app? radio? caller: yes, i am. host: 90.1 fm on the dial. we appreciate it. drive carefully. "you cannot investigate yourself. the people died that day as a result of flash grenades and rubber bullets. there house will protect its own and eight consider the capitol police are part of them. let's see all of the videos two weeks before and two weeks after unedited. also need independent citizen commission created. so much more to this story." a year and a half after covid and washington, d.c., essentially shut down, the headli

why isn't the security guard that murdered ashli babbitt present?ain, this book is all fact. if you had to redo -- if you had to review the documents we had to review, look at the calendar entries, interview president trump's aids, you would feel this way to -- president trump's aides, you would feel this way, too. one of the nicest things for philip and me is that this was an opportunity for us to dig deeper into our real-time reporting we do for the washington post. we felt we did a pretty good job reporting for that paper and for the public in real time. when we found we stepped away and dug deeper, there was a lot to learn and we hope that is valuable for the public. host: how do you do your real-time drops on what is happening real-time and work on this book? guest: we did it concurrently. we were reporting real-time for the post and then begin the process of writing "i alone can fix it" after trump's absence. we had clear schedules to the late winter and early spring this year and did deeper interviews when the president left office. host: a f

wants to talk about it, and i know polo see ain't gonna look into it regarding the fascination of ashli babbitt. for just that i oppose this. host: what's the relevancy there? caller: the relevancy echo well we had a veteran that was unarmed that was assassinated, by its coming out it was some kind of security regarding pelosi, and nobody knows what happened. host: beside your thinking on that one about the formation of this committee, why do you oppose that? caller: because it's all political. straight up, come on, this is all political stuff regarding democrats trying to hurt them in the 22 election and trying to keep the republicans in the news instead of letting the country know how biden and his administration is doing so terrible. they just want to keep this stuff in the news so nobody talks about anything else. host: that's richard in cincinnati, ohio. as far as who speaker pelosi might appoint for the effort the washington post highlighted the fact that ms. pelosi is considering picking a republican who acknowledges the gravity of the attack on her options are exceedingly slim. adding t

i would like to know who shot ashli babbitt?ho shot and aren't armed air force veteran -- and on armed u -- unarmed air force veteran who should not have been in that building? host: paul from kansas city says, kevin mccarthy has no interest in justice. pelosi accepted three and jordan. dave, illinois, why does pelosi play politics with everything and not strive for true facts. we need troops, not power. mccarthy should pull all the members. william, ohio, go ahead. caller: it is just a kangaroo court. just like everything else. a waste of taxpayer money. it was all right, all the hearings the republicans had on an illegitimate deal. jim jordan thinks he is the arresting officer, the judge, the jury, and the executioner. as far as i am concerned, everything to do with the government is a waste of taxpayers' money to have some idiots representing like we have from ohio. that falls back to our great speaker of the house. it is a shame that we have let our political system get to this. i will never vote again in my life. i am 86 an