today donald trump told this lie about ashli babbitt. >> ashli babbitt was killed. she was shot. she should have never been shot. she was shot for no reason whatsoever. in fact, they say that she was trying to hold back the crowd. >> ashli babbitt never tried to hold back the crowd. ashli babbit was in the front line actively trying to break into the speaker's lobby and the video proves that. here is ashli babbitt very much not trying to hold back the crowd. the next thing ashli babbitt did after she pushed her way to the front of that crowd was to try to climb through the hole created by the glass that she helped break in that door and that is when she was shot. it is gruesome video to watch with that is available online. many of you have seen it before and it is only because donald trump lies about it that we may have to repeatedly show you the actual video in the future. here is a still image taken from another video angle of ashli babbitt actually climbing through the broken glass in that door. ashli babbitt wasn't holding anyone back and no one was holding ashli babbitt back

caller: i read stories from ashli babbitt's husband on who she was and what she was doing there, but no, i haven't read all the books because i don't want to see all the propaganda. again, we never heard from nancy pelosi. we never saw her emails from that day. we never saw her texts from that day. why? she was the head of security. what happened? that is unbelievable. not to say anything about the bomber. they had the bomber on the phone. how did we not know who that person is? host: on books on january 6, here's another one that we covered. a journalist talked about air force veteran ashli babbitt and the other women who participated in the riot at the capitol. that next chapter book store new york, you can watch it at c-span.org. this is tiffany, new york, republican. good morning. caller: hello, good morning. my question is not about what happened with the riot or anything, my question is about what is going on today. they are doing the final count today for the president. what happens if the count shows that harris wins by a margin and not trump, because they are saying things a

now, on the ashli babbitt case. look, it's subjective whether she should have been shot. i can't fact check that, but the president elect is certainly leaving out some pertinent facts here, specifically that miss babbitt was a rioter who was trying to enter a shattered window of the house. speaker's lobby had been warned not to do so, was carrying a knife. so certainly not just wandering around aimlessly or something of that sort. >> all right, daniel, thank you so much for that. appreciate it. and staying on the sort of broader topic or the related topic to january 6th, i don't want to lose sight of what he s him deranged and and worse, which is, i know, not new. he called him mean and nasty, uh, but also what happened while this press conference was going on, which is that judge aileen cannon, a judge who actually he said that he had never met, even though he obviously had a very important case before her, and he appointed her to the federal bench. she ruled that this report that jack smith put together will remain sealed. >> and she's not the final say i should note. we

talk about ashli babbitt.esn't discount the other actions. can i ask you as someone who advocated for trump's re- election, obviously i think your perspective is important because i think there's a lot of people in the united states who share that. but as you're looking at why trump was re- elected, him going into office, do you think it is a smart move for him to make one of his first actions pardoning some of those people? and i know you say case-by- case basis. but we don't still have a clear picture yet on zblsh listen, i think what the president was elected on is securing the border, lowering costs, ending forever wars -- i can give you a long list of things that precede pardoning some of these criminals. >> so you don't agree it should be day one? >> i don't agree it should be day one. i think there are lots of things the american people care about much, much more so than january 6th because listen, not only did it not pull on the democratic side but on the republican side. people want their lives improv

>> well, you know, the only one that was killed was a beautiful young lady named ashli babbitt.she was killed. and there was actually somebody else that was killed. also a maga person. >> no mention of the more than 140 police officers who were assaulted and injured that day, or the four officers who later died by suicide, and the officer whose stroke a medical examiner attributed to that attack. my congressional sources tonight served as the lead counsel in donald trump's first impeachment. impeachment. new york democratic congressman dan goldman is here. uh, as you look at how trump is going to be going about these pardons, we don't know. he could pardon five people. he could pardon 500 people. i mean, what would that mean to you? you're a former federal or former prosecutor. how would you look at this? >> if i were a prosecutor, i am absolutely irate. and if i'm a member of law enforcement, i'm appalled because let's break down what this is. most of these people, the vast majority of the over 1000 plus, i think it might be 1600 charged now, were charged in some connection wit

>> well, you know, the only one that was killed was a beautiful young lady named ashli babbitt. killed. this would be the only insurrection in history where people went in as insurrectionists with not one gun. okay? and let me tell you, the people that you're talking about have a lot of guns in their home, for hunting and for shooting and for entertainment, a lot of good reasons. but there wasn't one gun that they found. >> reporter: ashli babbitt was shot by capitol police as the mob tried to storm the house chamber. but guns were found on several rioters. today, trump would not say if he would pardon those convicted of violent offenses, including assaulting police officers. and david, back to the president-elect's demands to take over the panama canal, greenland, and canada. tonight, the prime minister of denmark, which owns greenland, is declaring greenland is not for sale, and will not be in the future, either. and canada's justin trudeau is saying there isn't a snowball's chance in hell that canada would become part of the united states. david? >> david: selina wang tonight

ashli babbitt was killed by a dude that the media covered for. i cannot wait for her court case. >> yeah, well, i think it's important that you got to understand the media is rusty. they're not used to asking questions, at least not ones they've submitted in crayon. so it's. but it's not just biden. it's because he could point to anyone in his administration. he did it with a negotiator the other day. he's like you, i know you're tired. you just got back from the middle east. come on up here and let us know how it's going. and guess what? that guy was able to tell us how it was going, which was amazing, because if president biden can't say it, then kamala's got to say it. and i know he has dementia, but i don't know what the she has because is there is there a bug going around the white house? did everyone get a hit of the bad cocaine? like what happened? because we can't. and then no matter what expert this current administration has, they come up and say, and we're like, what? and we need panels to translate. we need bret baier and rocket scien

the person that was killed was ashli babbitt. there were never charges of insurrection or anything like that. if there were, this would be the only insurrection in history where people went in as insurrectionists with not one done. ok? let me tell you, the people we are talking about have a lot of guns in their home for hunting, shooting, entertainment. a lot of good reasons. but there was not one gun that they found. why didn't they find the bomber? the pipe bomber? the fbi knows who it is. the status of the fbi has gone down so far. the status of the doj, or, as i call it, the department of injustice. the department of injustice. being left out all over the world. hopefully with pam bondi and kash patel and other people we are putting in that will all come back. if you do a pool in the fbi --poll in the fbi i guarantee i am like at 90% with the agents of the fbi but they have hurt that incredible place. law enforcement in the fbi rated this house. they could have told me. i told them, come in anytime you want. you can see anyth

i mean, i went to the home where they had a poster of this logo of ashli babbitt being killed as a red on her neck. it's an image i saw passed around on the proud boys telegram the night of jan 6. and now it's like mainstream. >> can you explain this house to me more? what do they use it like for a gathering purpose? what is this? >> it's kind of like a home base for people who are coming and going for court hearings families come there and people who have just gotten out of jail and there's not much. they have to put their lives back together. one of the interesting things about it is that it has turn md of these very conservative people into people who really want prison reform. i also feel they'll be able to pressure the trump administration to enact that. >> a ton of organizations set up just to support the j sixers and their families. i was down at the jail a few weeks ago and somebody called in from one of these organizations. damage property or push their way into the building. >> right. among the jan sixers, they don't make that divide. a guy i talked to, the guy with the yarn

nobody is crying that ashli babbitt was shot in the back by an alleged police officer for the capitolill police. he should be charged with murder and should be prosecuted. the fbi was there. there were undercover fbi agent's there. they were instigating these people to be violent, and the fbi at a capitol hill hearing broadcast on c-span, an fbi manager denied, he would not answer the question whether there were fbi agents on january 6. host: how do you feel about pardons for people convicted of crimes, whether it is assaulting police officers, seditious conspiracy, some 14 people convicted of that? what do you think of the idea of pardoning those people? caller: i believe that the people who are currently political presenters who have been persecuted should be pardoned at 12:02 on january 20. they were persecuted by the weaponize department of justice. host: and you think everybody, whether they pled guilty, were convicted, you think every person related to january 6 -- caller: i believe president trump should view the documentation, and he will see that these people are political pr

this is one of the video still images of ashli babbitt on january 6th. we didn't show this before.proaching the door so the speaker's lobby. she did manage to push her way through there and this is the still image of her as we did show before, of her actually trying to climb through the broken glass in the door into the speaker's lobby. so she wasn't always at the front end edge of that crowd, but she pushed her way up to the front edge and was the first one trying to get through that window and that is when she got shot. >>> today former president jimmy carter's casket was carried into the u.s. capitol for a military tribute where the former president would lie in state in the capitol rotunda. here's what vice president kamala harris said today about president carter. >> jimmy carter was that all too rare example of a gifted man who also walks with humility, modesty and grace. throughout his life and career jimmy carter retained a fundamental decency and humidity. james earl carter jr. loved our country. he lived his faith. he served the people and he left the world better than he

ashli babbitt mother had actually posted a video of them on the phone. we know that donald trump also, or his team, i should say, gave them passes to attend the inauguration. they didn't end up attending because it was ended up moving inside. but again, that's all to say that donald trump and his team have been engaged with many of these different people who ended up getting pardoned on monday. this was a huge priority for him and really just underscores how committed he was to that. after, of course, those executive that executive order with the pardons, but also just to be having these talks at all about having them come to the white house for such a visit. >> i also want to ask you about this critical 5 p.m. deadline this afternoon regarding dei practices in the federal government. what does that look like? >> that's right. so we also have some reporting on this as well. i was told that just hours after donald trump was sworn into office on monday, the office of personnel management that has been helping send this guidance regarding the diversity, inc

we are learning president trump has personally invited the mother of ashli babbitt. you remember she was shot and killed by capitol police on january 6th, breaking into the capitol. we're going to take you inside a home tonight. and and this is a house where january 6th supporters are now waiting for word on trump's pardons. and they're all gathered together in this house. and from snoop dogg to the village people, one time, trump critics are now performing for the new president. >> have i got news for you is back for a new season. whether you like it or not. are those the only two choices? yes. you like it or you don't. >> i'm on the fence. >> this is going to be a long season. >> have i got news for you returns february 15th on cnn. >> you know what's smart? treating yourself without cheating your goals. indulge responsibly with factor. all of the flavor. none of the guilt. ready in two minutes. eat smart with factor. >> this is columbia, a very beautiful country. when i wondered what is behind so much beauty, i discovered something i hadn't seen before. >> this is

and people are coming on here day by day saying ashli babbitt was the only one that was killed. that is crap. ashli babbitt was handled the way she was supposed to be handled during an insurrection at the white house. with that being said, these people also coming on here talking about donald trump and pardoning him and pardoning the people that were there storming the capitol, none of them should be parted. donald trump should be in there with them. he committed a grave injustice to this country. and there is nothing that will ever undo that. my to satisfaction with what went on has never stumbled about what they did, and what they did will always be a crime. and they should not be parted. and trump should not be president. host: ok, one more call, mike from new york. hi. caller: hi. what i would add to the caller just said, pull talking about burning cities, it was worse, but people forget that trump was in charge during that time. trump was the president. so why didn't he arrest those people and put? themin jail because -- and put them in jail? because he was in charge when a

you had michael bird shooting an unarmed woman right in the neck and murdering ashli babbitt. for that. it's excessive use of force. so as you see it, it's your role to hold the police to account. you stand by, you stand ready. no, i don't stand by and said ready? no, i don't stand by and stand ready. listen, i want police officers to obey their oath and defend the constitution by respecting the rights of the people and those who go too far. for example, the police officer who murdered george floyd. i watched that video, and i've trained jiu jitsu, and i do i do believe that he went too far and he should have should have took his knee off his neck because he was clearly unconscious. you didn't sound very apologetic, though, but there's one pamela hemphill who pleaded guilty and she was sentenced to 60 days in prison. she came out ofjail under these pardons. she says we should apologise. we did wrong. but you don't have any regrets. i did not hurt anyone that day and neither did my men. we were there to do security for two permitted events on capitol grounds one area, seven lat

the person that was killed was ashli babbitt.he other thing is, when they talk, you know, there was never charges of insurrection or anything like that. if there were this would be the only insurrection in history where people when in as insurrectionists with not one gun, ok? me tell you, the people you're talking about have a lot of guns in their home, for hunting, and for shooting, and entertainment. a lot of good reasons. but there was not one gun that they found. host: elizabeth wydra, your reaction to the president-elect, and also clemency powers? guest: first, there were other people who died as a result of january 6. officer brian sick, for example, and some of the charges to people present on january 6 related to officer sicknick's death from strokes that were caused from coming you know, being spree -- sprayed with toxic chemicals, for example, by some of the january 6 writers. i think it is important to remember the seriousness of the charges, and the potential deadly violence that could have occurred on january 6. you

look, even within my line of sight here, ashli babbitt's mom -- woman killed in the capitol -- >> we'll to you. michael fanone i believe we have contact with. i am wondering when you heard the news and what's going through your mind tonight? >> i just heard the news from your producers a few moments ago. the only thing that's going through my mind right now is that this is what the american people voted for. donald trump has been promising these pardons ever since he announced his candidacy in waco, texas, the scene of one of the most notorious battles between american law enforcement and the american extremist movement that resulted in the death of numerous law enforcement officers. thanks, america. >> this feels like a betrayal to you? >> oh, i have been betrayed by my country. rest assured. i have been betrayed by my country and i have been betrayed by those who supported donald trump. whether you voted for him because he promised these pardons, or for some other reason, you knew that this was coming. and here we are. tonight, six individuals who assaulted me as i did as i did my job

when trump was asked, he pivoted to talk about ashli babbitt. so i think unfortunately, he doesn't care what any of us think, and he's going to pardon whoever he wants to pardon. and the political reality is, you know, he's got it's going to be hard for him not to pardon even some of those who may have committed some of the most heinous crimes. >> you know, doug, jd vance said, a little gray area in terms of those who committed acts of violence. what do you think that gray area could be? and do you think that donald trump and jd vance are on the same page here, or that trump is likely to do really whatever he wants? >> yeah, i don't know, and i don't know. but when you hear that there's a gray area that tells you that's where you should be focused on the parts that are white and the parts that are black are pretty easy to figure out. that gray area and how expansive that may be is ultimately what's going to come into fruition one way or another. and that's where if there are divisions, not divisions per se, but disagreements between jd vance and

during the transition, you know, ten days before he was inaugurated on the phone with the mother of ashli babbittwho was killed by a police officer while trying to go through a window, trying to get into and onto the house chamber. and yet and yet he was asked about this yesterday and, um, he i'm not. let's play it and talk about what we think he was trying to do. there. >> it's never acceptable to assault a police officer. >> sure. >> so then if i can, among those. you pardoned dj rodriguez. he drove a stun gun into the neck of a dc police officer who was abducted by the mob that day. he later confessed on video to the fbi and pleaded guilty for his crimes. why does he deserve a pardon? >> well, i don't know. was it a pardon? because we're looking at commutes and. >> we're looking. >> at pardons. okay, well, we'll take a look at everything, but i can say this. murderers today are not even charged. you have murderers that aren't charged all over. no, i'm the friend of. i am the friend of police. more than any president that's ever been in this office. >> before you come in here, i just want to pl

and he answered by saying, ashli babbitt, a supporter of his, was the only person who was killed. so, you know, we will see where this goes. but the question of exactly who gets clemency here in terms of the pool of people connected to j6 and who doesn't, has been a very hard subject to pin down for the last couple of months, i think, because there is not agreement within trump's world on what to do. >> all right. maggie haberman, thanks, caitlin. we'll see you at the top of the nine at the source. your conversations mentioned with john bolton next, in a rising sea of social media disinformation, what to make of mark zuckerberg's decision to end fact checking on facebook and instagram? the always interesting professor scott galloway has a lot of thoughts on that. he joins me also ahead, an update from the fire lines in the l.a. area. these fires are just crazy to see the smoke everywhere in los angeles. we'll be right back with more. >> this guy can't shoot. he's got weak arms. >> how do you sleep at night on a mattress from mattress firm? >> so i sleep at the semiannual sale and

ashli babbitt was killed. nobody was killed. there were no guns down there. we didn't have guns. others had guns, but we didn't have guns. >> and quotes. >> quote. >> we didn't have guns. we. first of all, it's not true. blatant falsehood that the insurrectionists were not armed. but again, the real headline there is that trump tells us whose side he was on, and it eviscerates the claim he made last night when announcing the pardons that the violent offenders at the capitol were actually outside agitators. either they were, quote, my people unfairly treated by the justice system or they were outside agitators. they can't be both. but now is pardons for 1500 capitol insurrection defendants and commutations for 14 members of the far right proud boys and oath keepers has the potential to turbocharge what's happening in this country already. our domestic extremism crisis, one extremism researcher telling the washington post. this, quote, they are emboldened. they are back. and i think it means that their ranks are going to grow, and we're going to see them involved in all kinds of pr

if you want to watch c-span's book tv coverage, there was a book about ashli babbitt that came out last ashley, the untold story of the women of january 6. jack cashel is the author of that book. we featured it on book tv, if you want to watch. it's on book tv.org and c-span.org is where you can go to find book tv's listings. we will hear from trey in ellicott city, maryland. independent. good morning. caller: good morning and thank you for allowing me to join this forum. i used to be a criminal justice professor. and i have actually switched careers. i don't know how i teach the next generation about justice when we all have eyes and the ability to perceive. we can see that not only the current president has broken many laws, but that he will scorch this earth to hell and back than a to or adhere to just laws. as an african-american, i know there is nothing about our so-called democratic philosophies that will protect the most vulnerable in this society, if in fact both the minority of whites as well as a majority who are complicit want to affirm whiteness. this is incredible. to the l

i would like to talk about this man joe biden pardon that murdered ashli babbitt, the only person murderedday. you should be tried for a hate crime, and the policeman who testified late, they are dangerous. they are so emotional and they have to get up and cry and things like that. i don't believe you can legally pardon somebody who has not yet been charged. that is like going out, driving a car, driving off before you sign the papers. i would like to close with one of nancy pelosi statements. she made -- she said, i don't hate anybody because i'm catholic. i don't question her religion. i don't question her faith, but i certainly question her honesty. i pray that god will bless america and will bless the trunks and bless us all. thank you -- the trumps and bless us all. thank you. host: we will pause here to speak to jeff mason. if you are online, please hold on. we will come back and take your calls. welcome to the program. caller: good to be with you. host: it is day three of the trump presidency, what is on his schedule today? caller: a legitimate question and the answer is we don't kn

if you want to watch c-span's book tv coverage, there was a book about ashli babbitt that came out last ashley, the untold story of the women of january 6. jack cashel is the author of that book. we featured it on book tv, if you want to watch. it's on book tv.org and c-span.org is where you can go to find book tv's listings. we will hear from trey in ellicott city, maryland. independent. good morning. caller: good morning and thank you for allowing me to join this forum. i used to be a criminal justice professor. and i have actually switched careers. i don't know how i teach the next generation about justice when we all have eyes and the ability to perceive. we can see that not only the current president has broken many laws, but that he will scorch this earth to hell and back than a to or adhere to just laws. as an african-american, i know there is nothing about our so-called democratic philosophies that will protect the most vulnerable in this society, if in fact both the minority of whites as well as a majority who are complicit want to affirm whiteness. this is incredible. to the l