joined by ashton mcguire. the senior fellow at the catholic association. a shocking report today.eaction? >> you know, i would start by saying that whenever this topic comes up, this is a topic that is a source of great sadness for all catholics and cannot be taken seriously enough. that being said, having read the entire document, it's truly shocking because the report basically overlooks the last ten years of history and everything that the church has done to make sure that something this horrible never happens again. and i would tell you that right now the catholic church put into place so many reforms and protocalls that b protocalls that it's being looked to as a model to prevent things like this from ever happening. there's no mention of that and it really seems more like an ideological attack than anything. >> i have taught ccd at our church and had to take a program chrks is very intense and anyone who works with children in the church has to go through that program. a lot has been done. lst been a lot said about this that suggests this report is trying to get at the issue