. >>> ashton p. woodsthe he co-founder of black lives matter in houston, texas and he's been involved in organizing those protests against the nra that we were just looking at right there. he is joining me now live from houston, and i really thank you for being here on the end of what i'm sure was a long day. we heard some things there in that report already from the nra conference. but you know, just to repeat some of them, you've heard them all before, right? here's the -- what they're saying. their quote, what stops armed bad guys is armed good guys. you heard it from ted cruz. the existence of evil is one of the very best reasons to arm law-abiding citizens. and then some very passed pleas saying hell no, we will not go and you will not take them. >> so given all this, it is surprising to me that outside there in houston that some people are now saying that there is hope, that there might be a middle way, that some kind of reform is possible. what do you think? and what does that best case scenario loo

. >> now last hour i spoke with ashton p. woods. i asked him what it would take to make meaningful gun reform happen in the united states, and what a best case scenario would look like. >> the best case scenario right now would be to have governor abbott call a special session to repeal the laws that were passed in 2019 and 2021 that made what happened in uvalde easier to happen. we can call it evil if we want to, but this is just as governor abbott reducing this down to a mental health issue, when we don't have a great mental health system, i'm sorry, non-existent mental health system. we use our jails to address mental health. but we must address gun violence in a way that doesn't scapegoat the fact that ted cruz uses rhetoric that gets children killed. governor abbott passes laws that got children killed. they must do their job. >> even a survivor from parkland said if people are talking over one another a compromise is not possible. is it only on background checks? maybe moving the age? what could be possible here? >> you know,

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later, he has cancelled his in person appears at the nra conference, and i have now joined by ashton p woods your reaction to the governor cancelling his in—person appearance? it is the governor cancelling his in-person appearance? it is not enou~h, in-person appearance? it is not enough. he _ in-person appearance? it is not enough, he needs— in-person appearance? it is not enough, he needs to _ in-person appearance? it is not enough, he needs to call- in-person appearance? it is not enough, he needs to call a - in-person appearance? it is not i enough, he needs to call a special session_ enough, he needs to call a special session to — enough, he needs to call a special session to fix this issue so no more children_ session to fix this issue so no more children died, no more families lose valuable _ children died, no more families lose valuable teachers and loved ones. but what — valuable teachers and loved ones. but what can he do? he is a republican who is elected by the people of texas, partly because he campaigned for looser gun restrictions. how do you expect him to take those changes y