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hi, everybody, i'm david asman. thanks for joining us. here with us today, rich, elizabeth, neil, along with mike, evelyn and quinton. neil, more food stamps? >> i'm not saying i agree or disagree with stimulus, but if you want to get the money out the door, and these are spoon-ready programs, 9 % of this money that you spent out in food stamps gets spent that money. in addition, we have over 30 million people that are relying on this, and for every dollar you sent out, it increases money. this is a stimulus. >> i thought we all agreed that welfare is a drag not only on the economy, but on the individuals who take t. >> absolutely. look, everybody this is a failed policy. it does not stimulate the economy t. accomplishes increasing the government debt or taking money from one person and handing it to another person. it does not grow the economy. >> and quinton, doesn't it create a sense of dependency very often on the people who take it? >> shame on you, shaved. ronald reagan never produced his welfare queen. that's a myth. david: wait a

i'm david asman. welcome to "forbes on fox." let's get "the flip side" with steve forbes, elizabeth mcdonald, and a long with kay and mike. and mike, let's start with you. $28 million for ham and cheese is a good investment? >> it's fantastic. it's food for hungry people. this is basic stimulus spending and exactly what we need. what's really amusing to me is people are criticizing this. i mean, it's just proof that someone will criticize every penny a stimulus money is spend. i say give the n.i.h. a grant and let them study the involuntary nitpick-itis that's taken over. david: so we're nitpicking if we think ham and cheese is going to stimulate the economy? >> oh, sure, and at twice the price. how about buying a subscription to "forbes" magazine? david: we should mention, by the way, ham and cheese was selling at twice the price of what you can get at the local supermarket. >> that's right sorblingts they overpay in the name of helping the hungry, but people are paid off, and you want real red meat, buy a subscription to "forb

i do know that david asman is up now.