hosted by the aspen if institute, this runs 45 minutes. >> amanda, it's a pleasure to get the chance the talk with you about what is a fascinating book, exploring what i think you call the invisible hand of our time. but when i was reading it, it almost r seemed more like the background music of our daily lives. and that is this challenge of what you label high conflict. basically as you define it, distinct from conflict or sort ofof natural conflict, but the type of conflict that resolves into a true us versus them. and so i want to spend a little bit of time talking with you today about that, diving a little bit into some of the markers and the investigative work that you did to bring this book and this concept forward but thought i would just start by asking you to talk a little bit about what got you interested in this particular topic. ways but i found fascinating about reading it is that what we are living through is in so many stories in our daily life right now but never stopped to think about these stories unfold. >> thank you. to the aspen institute and everyone joining us

chief, who wants to crackdown he said it in a speech back in august 3 at the aspen institute, he wants to crackdown big time. ifow. on the 4th, on your show, and on claman's show when i started reporting his powers are limited , crypto started on a terror. now, part of it is yes, thank god there's not a lot he can do regulatory, there's some, but not a lot. sec needs more legislative approvals, more clout, you have to go to congress, elizabeth warren whose gary gensler's i guess rabbi in his regulatory efforts, can't just do that. he's going to need republicans and they aren't giving him anything but the other thing is if you take the regulatory threat out of crypto, then it becomes a decent hedge against inflation again, remember crypto , like gold, is a hedge against inflation, so that's what you're seeing right now. lots of cross currentses in this market, potential slow down , higher inflation, people are going to be confused, the fed is tapering, listen we keep saying it. it could be really bad and the markets keep going up, but you know? the fed starts raising rates because it has to, and you still have t

aspen institute. take a listen to this. >> if you work at the national security agency, you might actually be implanting now the other big draw for the federal government is that it grants those all-important security services. they want to have that security clearance for the government before they go out into the private sector where they will be in higher demand. the overall problem is a challenge. there aren't enough bodies to fill the jobs that are available right now, guys. back over to you >> i wonder -- we're always waiting for -- you keep a phone next to your bed, eamon? >> yes >> how often are we seeing -- when's the next big ransomware it will be within a month, don't you think? >> i mean, they're happening every couple of days you get alerts of these little, small companies that no one's ever heard of. we don't do a lot about those in the news every day i get an alert about a new ransomware attack. >> do you see people seeking out the right type of firm to come in and set up some type of fire wall i mean, that must be going on behind the scenes? >> sure. yeah, look absolutely the big challen