when we have the opportunity to assimilate, but the difference order challenge than in other places where have lived where that opportunity was largely closed off and there really wasn't the same kind of being torn apart. one of the interesting things we are seeing another trend in jewish literature is the, for lack of other work, the excess acidic memoir. we have a lot of books coming out by people love left the community and talking about that experience. in some cases come it's angry experience. in some case they felt simply that they had to leave and they still have positive feelings. what we see is a very insular community, a community that has done its best to save off that assimilation, but still you can't completely close yourself off from the greater society. >> and the category of story is mostly in the form of personal essay and the more. >> it's both men and women, but especially women. >> interesting. any other trends that you are seeing? >> one really great thing has been culinary history. we've seen a lot of books, where is books about food use always be cookbooks. recent y

belong, and then assimilate. >> all right.s scriven, how much of this is passive and lone wolf. somebody on the behalf of the isis, they want to take them, and blow up americans, go ahead, and do it. you macgyverish, and put together a bomb, fine, go ahead and do it. how much of this is operational from overseas? >> i don't know if we can determine whether it is operational overseas or not, but isis has been clear to do whatever you can do to support the caliphate. you don't have to come to syria or iraq, and fight where you are, because you can carry are the fight to the west. >> shawn? >> yes. >> this is part of their whole operational strategy, and they have had it for some time as shawn had pointed out earlier where they the allow you to take it upon yourself to be an independent franchise. this is not going to necessarily a new thing with isis or the groups affiliated with them, or the groups a that they formally belong to. we saw the same thing with al qaeda. it allows them an opportunity to use the lone wolves as an ext

belong, and then assimilate. >> all right.s scriven, how much of this is passive and lone wolf. somebody on the behalf of the isis, they want to take them, and blow up americans, go ahead, and do it. you macgyverish, and put together a bomb, fine, go ahead and do it. how much of this is operational from overseas? >> i don't know if we can determine whether it is operational overseas or not, but isis has been clear to do whatever you can do to support the caliphate. you don't have to come to syria or iraq, and fight where you are, because you can carry are the fight to the west. >> shawn? >> yes. >> this is part of their whole operational strategy, and they have had it for some time as shawn had pointed out earlier where they the allow you to take it upon yourself to be an independent franchise. this is not going to necessarily a new thing with isis or the groups after fill yated with them, or the groups a that they formally belong to. we saw the same thing with al qaeda. it allows them an opportunity to use the lone wolves as

to a losso is gone know how tragic it is and how hard it is to assimilate. having a kind of celebration of your parents bravery and courage and what one can do about this kind of activity -- terrorism, is something we all can relate to. so thank you for being here. we stand up for just one moment. [applause] prof. wedgwood: their father was a klinghoffer. it's a real immigration story. he owned a hardware store. in the lower east side. i wish i had known him. corpsned the army air which my father belonged to in world war ii. he flew missions as a navigator b 24.. 24 -- a then, i take it he had a kind of a handyman -- innovative quality. he created something called roto-broil. when i would not be able to let my stuff, i could have used that. he had a very happy marriage. then, at a certain age, as one is entitled to, he took a vacation, sort of a passive vacation, getting a suntan, and the mediterranean on the achille lauro and failed to the middle of a terrible war. which, surely her parents did not anticipate. and was made a hostage at a victim by the pales

it is assimilation. it is that immigrant children of arab-americans and immigrant children of jewish americans all feel committed to american security. we have 6 million muslims in america right now, maybe three or four dozen pretty scary cases. but, if our response undermines the sense of assimilation and integration that whatever community right now obviously the muslim american community feels, we may actually turn into europe or turn into these countries that never actually integrated their immigrant communities and are seeing not four dozen cases but are seeing 22% of their muslim population polling at jihad or via glenn t jihad as a legitimate form of expression. that is the dichotomy. it is scary. i was in homeland security and i know what the threat is. also, that our response cannot undermine our total success story as a country. which is, muslim american communities actually feel a part of this country in ways that is not true in europe and the radicalization we are seeing there. can add someth

they're not assimilating and they're not assimilating because sharia law is incompatible with the constitution of the united states. that's an important principle that we need to have a debate about. >> last question here. you said congressman ellison would not denounce sharia law. what do you mean. >> when congressman ellison takes an oath to support and defend the constitution of the united states, and also -- you'll get to ask him. i'm glad he is going to be there to answer this question. which is superior? the constitution or sharia law? in sharia law by their teachings is superior to everything else, replaces the constitution itself. you can't be assimilated into the american civilization and accept sharia law as being support to our constitution. >> i'm going to talk to him about that. congressman steve king. >> please ask him. >> joining me now, congressman keith ellison, congressman from minnesota, first muslim-american elected to congress who i believe had the benefit of listening to that exchange. would you like to respond? >> well, all i'd like to say is that i am a patriotic, loyal

but the people coming to any country have to be willing to assimilate.es: i think going to the ballpark and saying the pledge of allegiance and eating hole shot dogs is a great thing. the any lenalls want troops on the ground but they don't want to go. : . charles: a recent survey of america's 18-29-year-olds by harvard found that after the paris attacks, an astounding 60% said let's do this. send ground troops to fight isis. 62% said they wouldn't join the military. only 9% said they would consider it. bo and general scales are back with me. all right, general. good to want to send in the troops, but you go! i don't want to go. what do you make of this, general? >> well, first of all, for that generation, since they were 10 years old war has been a spectator sport, charles. it's been zero dark 30 or lone survivor, watching close combat on television. and to your point, the prospect of going to war for millennials would be a lot different if they were going to be drafted to go into the war. good for them, the american public opinion, two years ago would

you dethat dichotomy between the attempt, assimilate as americans to be like the rest of us and clear cut plan to blow us to hell. i'm trying to figure how you can see this. i don't see that coming together. >> it doesn't add up. we spoke with the landlord and said when they signed this lease in may, did you notice anything different? he said no. it was a couple. they had a new kid, seemed nice. he had five applicationings for this very apartment. he chose this couple. he wasn't forced to choose this couple. we know farook made about $70,000 a year, so certainly wasn't mar gainnalized. had a good job with the county. it's baffling and it's baffling to residents in this community, as one neighbor told me if it can happen here in san bernadino, california it can happen anywhere. >> thanks so much. blake mccoy. for more we're joined by shawn henry, the executive assistant director of the fbi and national security analyst and terror project. gentlemen, thanks for joining us. shawn, what do you make of this? i don't know. i don't get it. they seem like they wanted to be an american couple.

to assimilate or not. this to me is the core issue. when you spend time thinking about this society, arthur solicitor, those who are followers of john f. kenny know him very well, famous kennedy liberal wrote a book in which he is very critical of multiculturalism movement and famously said the national motto, out of many, one. he famously said my concern is we have too much pluroibus and n not enough unum. what about working for unity? on the one hand, the stories that illustrate this, you can't have absolute unity because people are coming from different backgrounds but it is important as that nation to think about what does the concept of we mean? what is the concept of unity? what can we establish didn't feel we are now multicultural nation, diversity, still important to have a unity but we have to think about it in creative ways, really work to establish a new definition of what we as the nation need to. that is one of the questions-i x for in writing about the experience because one of the things that unites them all, bolivia, li

assimilation wasn't as hard because they're western values. a theocractheocracy, as i'm concerned in terms of rights for women and gays and lesbians, they're back in the stone age. >> many of them are. we have to screen these folks in a dangerous time like now. you can't put up a total wall. >> we can wait until we get a system that works. >> we have to demand that the government works the right way. the fbi director knows this and he's not been given the support or the resources. if the president of the united states jim comey and i would have a -- >> would you trust him? would he indict hillary if he had the evidence? >> i have zero doubt. jim comey has as much integrity as anybody i met during my time as u.s. attorney. >> would loretta lynch do it? >> i don't know her so i have no idea. comey, if the evidence is there, he'll recommend it. if they refuse to do it, he'd resign. >> governor christie, good to see you. >>> coming up carly fiorina will weigh in on donald trump's proposal to ban muslims for a period of time. that and more as "hann

he was perfectly assimilated western canadian muslim. daughter made her husband sign a prenup pledging to commit jihad. that's unusual prenup. you don't get those prenups in holiday. she was part of a plot to behead the canadian prime minister. the problems with second generation muslims of the kind we saw in san bernadino are sufficiently common that a rethink of this issue is not beyond the pale. should not beyond the pale. >> what are the victims in san bernadino who survivor is muslim. and here is what her husband said. >> as a muslim as a muslim, and somebody's whose wife was in the attack, what do you say to donald trump? >> i want him to reflect the -- my wife went through two bullets went above her head, hit the wall. one bullet injured her ght arm. another bullet injured her left arm and another bullet just passed through the skin of her stomach.[$ being a muslim, she was also a victim at the same time. >> what do you say about that? >> well, he is absolutely right about his poor wife and, again, it's consistent there were musli

kennedy: you want to point to somalis in minneapolis, but american muslims are better assimilated thanuslims in other parts of the world. >> they are better assimilate hand pakistanis. >> we simulate immigrants here. >> i'm look around. where did it go? you would sacrifice the americar american fermanent. kennedy: amended the constitution and take away your second amendment rights. then all after sudden everyone on the right is a constitutional scholar. take all of it consistently or go back to canada. >> they are -- i want the first two amendments please. >> donald trump has no respect for the 4th or 5th amendment, he loves emmembers in the doe doe main and wants to put everybody on watchlists. who gets custody of the child in kennedy: authorities say someone well-known to the san bernardino shooters purchased some of their rifles for them and they may had an earlier attack but bought spoorkd and thwarted it. james comey says they have been radical tides for a long time. >> they were radicalized before they started kowrgt each other or dating online. as early as 2013 they were talking

the way he assimilates, five years at the office.y through him a shower for the new baby and turns around and does this, killing all the friends, i mean, what do you think about the tactic? >> well, first of all the fact that they integrate in society in the hypothesis that he was terrorists, he snapped and then he committed an act of terror. authorities are saying they don't have that ultimate link. how do we operate as analysts? on the one hand you have a very heavy environment worldwide, isis threats, operations taking place in paris and other places, but you don't have that onelink which is a statement they made, facebook picture, any narrative that proceeded this, so what you do is is it possible for a frustrated individual to go back home to bring his wife to have ak47's all weapons, whar those weapons were, military and implement military-style operation to execute people and leave. for the purpose of either psychological, no. you know the other nonterrorist reasons. >> cheryl: the answer to question, they are calling ied fact

then do is not a good citizen and it requires centuries torequire centuries to assimilate. this country need not take the trouble. what is interesting is that some of the same sentiments are ones that we share hundred plus years later. i arrived in no creek five days after the massacre occurred to pay my respects at the memorial for the victims of the tragedy. as ii approached oak creek high school a fight memorial service i could see hundreds of people waiting in line outside. they've gathered in the quintessential american high school gymnasium to mourn the immigrants who lost their lives to hate violence in america's heartland. the jamaica with a spontaneous call and response from the audience. respect to the victims by lining up. ii tried to prepare myself for looking into the faces of the innocent people,, but i was more shaken as i realized the next each cast as to their children. his two sons flanking the casket was the sons in the casket said. i remember the only words of comfort and reassurance that i could muster. i believe these words fully but knew they could pr

kennedy: you want to point to somalis in minneapolis, but american muslims are better assimilated thanuslims in other parts of the world. >> they are better assimilate hand pakistanis. >> we simulate immigrants here. >> i'm look around. where did it go? you would sacrifice the americar american fermanent. kennedy: amended the constitution and take away your second amendment rights. then all after sudden everyone on the right is a constitutional scholar. take all of it consistently or go back to canada. >> they are -- i want the first two amendments please. >> donald trump has no respect for the 4th or 5th amendment, he loves emmembers in the doe doe main and wants to put everybody on watchlists. who gets custody of the child in the san bernardino shooting situation. when a moment spontaneously turns romantic, why pause to take a pill? and why stop what you're doing to find a bathroom? cialis for daily use, is the only daily tablet approved to treat erectile dysfunction so you can be ready anytime the moment is right. plus cialis treats the frustrating urinary symptoms of bph, like need

we're not assimilating them, we're radicalizing them, our community is radicalizing them, and we need to reform the ideas that are not bringing them into the 21st century. >> i like that comprehensive strategy. it's more effective, reduces the risk of radicalization tremendously. charles: i still say, a lot of the resentment begins in the home, a long time and builds up, that's how you get the guys in boston and tennessee. all right, guys. here's lou dobbs. lou: good evening, everybody, i'm lou dobbs. the republican establishment has spent the past five months trying to take down donald trump. now they and trump's republican rivals have a lot of help. it's all about trump's proposed temporary ban on muslim immigration to the united states. while trump has considerable experience with controversy, he may have outdone himself this time. politicians are piling on from every quarter, his ban plan drawing widespread condemnation here and abroad. british, french, egyptian leaders, even the u.n. refugee

you try to put them in places they will be welcomed since easier for them to assimilate. >> i suspecte couple that has gone to south south south carolina is welcome there as well but i would like to know -- >> i would hope very much they are welcomed in south carolina and knowing what i know about my folks.com here's where we are. we are in the middle of the debate for your vetting process. we have the fbi director saying that while they are good, they are not perfect and can't survive everybody that comes in is safe and not a national security threat. we had a bill that we voted on in the house and a veto majority to cause the resettlement program. this issue gets a lot of attention. the folks in the neighborhood will find out who they are and i have people that look differently at those refugees than they would otherwise and in the back of their mind they will always wonder if it's the two that cost to the system. they tell us it is not safe. doesn't it make it more difficult for the refugees to assimilate if we haven't perfected the vetting process? >> we have a very strong vetting

doesn't it make it more difficult for refugees to assimilate if we haven't perfected our vetting process? ms. richard: i think we have a very strong vetting process. rep. mullaney: mr. rodriguez evolving this is an threat. have you change the way you do business in the last six months? ms. richard: we are going over how we vet in an active way. rep. mullaney: have you change the way you vet? have you made any changes since san bernardino? ms. richard: no, but there were no refugees involved in san bernardino. mullaney: didn't we just have a discussion about silos? aren't we going to learn something about the fiance visa process? are you looking at social media? ms. richard: i would have to defer to mr. rodriguez. mr. rodriguez: as i've said clearly, yes. we are not using it 100%. we have been piloting the use. we are in the middle of a third pilot. i talked about the lessons we learned from that and how they will be applied, but yes, we are building the capacity. rep. mullaney: there is no way to know if the folks who got placed in my state have been through their process -- that process

this solves the assimilation problem. come to america, there is nothing to assimilate to because we're getting rid of all our values. i wonder if they can focus on getting better teachers or helping students instead of focusing on this. we are so careful in this country not to offend a set of ideas called islam. we can't offend, we don't want to have any backlashes but islam is a set of ideas. but you can target just about anything else because they're not protected by the brkha intelligence. >> this is outrageous. let the kids have a christmas. >> you could learn about everything. you could learn about hanukkah, kwanza -- >> if you really want to educate, then just have a holiday a day through the holidays. >> someone should investigate her social media pages. >> let me guess. you're in favor of this. >> no, i'm in favor of helping kids. what i read was 95% of the kids at the school are asian or hispanic. so i paid attention when they had the mom on "fox & friends" because that's an asian woman. i think most of the hispa

there were instances in which i tried to assimilate, it was evident that i was an outsider, i touch your hair? for our skin color and things like that. it took me literally until coming here to truly figure out who i was. karen: how did that make you feel as a young person? when you have these thoughts going through your mind facing some of these issues? pastel: you feel very lonely. it is very difficult to be solely by yourself. by yourself and to not reall y realize what big of a shift in it. from being around people that were exactly like me, spoke the same language, and then thrown into a place where no one looks speak smiling which. it was a delay in my development as a human being during that time. karen: now, you come to boston. at age 15. that headache -- that have a different kind of impact on your development. pastel: yes, it was another direct shift. i went from living in white suburbia and then i moved to dorchester, which is pretty much the exact opposite. , because i did not walk and talk like the community that i was now immersed in, i was labeled the white black kid. agai

it's incorrect, they assimilate and outperform the average american. >> you're wrong. >> syrians arethey're not arab, the ones in the united states. only a handful of people admitted as refugees. john: before world war ii, america didn't want jewish refugees. >> were there jewish terrorist groups shooting up people in paris? jewish supremacist groups trying to take over the world? no there weren't. it's an insult to compare. it is an insult to compare jewish refugees fleeing nazism to supremacist refugees. >> this is the same thing they said about catholic immigrants, jewish immigrants, the catholics are subservient to the pope and they're wrong then and wrong now about the muslim immigrants. there are 60 million refugees or internally displaced people in the world. john: we should take some. >> we're not going to take anything but the tiniest fraction. john: better than nothing. >> no, it isn't. what it is a handful of people winning the lottery, and we're spending a disproportionate sum of money in caring for those folks instead of leveraging that money we spend on refugee protecti

the refuge and immigrants need to feel assimilated and invested and if they don't, they are more prone to the radicalization process. sharyl: what is it you that you think americans might not understand about the challenges in europe? scott: i don't know that a lot of americans would understand how much does taste and criticism there is for u.s. foreign-policy. when they look at the refugee crisis, they are blaming america because they say had the middle east not destabilized in the manner that it did, this would not be occurring. there is a lot of criticism for the fact that the united states is not taking as many immigrants. germany is doing about 10,000 per day. that is about the entire year for syrian refugees in the sharyl: you are reporting to us from berlin. what are you working on for a future addition? scott: fascinating what we are seeing in berlin. germany has been very accessible and accepting. now, many people are saying they believe the borders should actually close, not onlover here in germany, but perhaps in other countries around europe. sharylyl: scott thuman reportin

the tragedy is that unlike in europe, muslims in america are by and large well assimilated. i remember talking to a moroccan immigrant who had a brother in new york. i asked him how their experiences differed. he said over here, in norway, i'll always be a muslim or a moroccan but my brother is already an american. once you start labeling an entire people by characteristics like race and religion and then see the whole group as suspect, tensions will build. in a poignant article, the washington post interviewed marine gunnery sergeant, a refugee from bosnia who explained how the brutal civil war between religious communities began in the balkans in the 1990s. he said, that's what's scary with the things that donald trump is saying, i know how these things work when you start whipping up mistrust between your neighbors and friends. i've seen them turn on each other. i remain an optimist. trump has taken the country by surprise. people don't quite know how to respond to the vague unworkable proposals. we have to do something, he he -- he says. the phony statistics, the dark in

scar r carson spoke to a group of women saying everybody is welcome as long as they are willing to assimilate. dr. carson did not talk abouthe' his debate performance, however. help his campaign very much. very calm and low key. you saw him a couple weeks ago. he said he was suffering suffering from a cold during the las vegas debate and may have hurt him. hopefully he got some soup democrats faced off. the controversy in what some ofrte the staffers from hillary clinton's campaign in a shared democratic database. >> i want to apologize to my supporters. this is not the type of campaignc that wea run. >> it was a democracy debate,d one republican featured prominently in the proceedings. recruiter. >> somebody like a trump comes along and says i know the answers. are criminals and rapists. >> referring here to donald trump. the doppelganger here his name was mentioned more than eachbut other's name during the debate.ta the last debate of the year as candidates take a break. don't look for it to last too long. the caucus takes place february 1 and february 20. because we are under that 100 day

it is nothing more than an agenda of forced assimilation, justifying what exaggerated fears of a securityporter: speakers lined up to voice their concerns. there are 5 or 600 people here sharing stories of prejudice and one of division that there is a us and then there is a them. in speeches and videos participants were told that cooperating with government intelligence agencies was outright forbidden. many muslims in australia think the confrontation will approach this as part of the problem but many are concerned that too many innocent muslims have been caught up in a drag net. at melbourne airport in september omar was stopped from getting on a plane and he says he was going to saudi arabia to attend a pilgramage and then lebanon to visit his dying grandmother and the government formally cancelled his passport and people he knew and played sport with traveled to fight in syria and authorities thought he might be heading the same way. >> i believe that this is just harassment of muslims with these new antiterror laws. it's just harassment of innocence. >> reporter: in the 12 months to j

it is nothing more than an agenda of forced assimilation justified by exaggerated fears of a security threat. >> speakers lined up to voice their concerns. there are five or 600 people here sharing stories of harassment and anti-muslim prejudice. the message is one ever isolationism, there is an us and a them. cooperating with government intelligence agencies was outright forbidden. approach is part of the problem. many are concerned that too many innocent muslims are being caught up in a dragnet. at mel borne airport omar was stopped from getting on a plane. he said he was going to attend the hajj pilgrimage then to visit an ailing grandmother. the government cancelled his passport. authorities thought shandab was heading the way of syria. >> it's the harassment of innocents. >> in the wake of attacks like those in paris the overwhelming majority of australians say they want more surveillance and action but not less. getting the balance right is not easy. andrew thomas, al jazeera, sydney. >>> beijing has issued another red alert for air pollution. emergency measures to close schools

do you feel if they have -- do you feel like they have assimilated well into the community? marie: i feel like they are >> she speaks of a time when the ty was more than 80% polish. this corner perhaps best represents the two worlds. on one side, the painting of an eagle, the symbol on the polish flag. on this side of the street, a mural of three yemeni women painted on the side of a middle eastern restaurant. even though the polish population stands at about 11% today, the remnants of the history are here. the statue of pope john paul, who came to visit the city in the 1980's, polish restaurants and markets, even the polish ngress, which sits footsteps from the islamic center. >> polonia is still very present. it is not going anywhere anytime soon. >> this professor has written several books including "old islam in detroit." >> i don't think there is anything different about muslim settlement here. it is the same history of a lot of people when they came to >> a lot of people like to look to the past to see how things are. on the other hand, you have to face the reality. th

. >> people have begun to assimilate and look like santa claus. imagine these kids hoping to sit on the of santa claus and they seat this drunken rebel coming at some falling down, totally drunk, and you talk about killing the image of santa claus for your little children may be peering into the eyes of santa claus. they ought to ban santa icon. juliet: she won't see it. ben: don't frequent the eastern zone. >> that is right. on the upper east side. ben: these are not my kind of neighborhoods. juliet: what does that mean? your kind of neighborhood? oh brother. ben: i have come to the lower east side. you are not hanging toward the bar. >> my blood in the lower east side, but -- ben: how many neighborhoods have been shot in? >> only one. ben: let's keep it that way. donald trump, a new poll is out, nbc news wall street journal poll, 57% of adults polled muslims from entering the country but among republicans 42%, almost half, supported, 36% oppose it at that said his poll numbers generally seem to be on a rise. juliet: people are concerned about na

doesn't it makes it more difficult for refugees to assimilate if we haven't perfected our vetting process? >> i think we have a very, very strong robust vetting process. >> mr. rodriguez and mr. burson said this is an evolving threat and they are changing the way they do business. have you changed the way vetted in the last six months. >> we are going over the way we vet in a very active way. >> have you changed the way that you vet -- >> trying to make it even better. >> have you made any changes in the way you vet since san bernardino. >> no. there were no refugees involved in san bernardino. >> i get that. didn't we have a discussion about silos? are going going to learn something about the fiancee visa process are you looking at social media. >> i would have to defer to mr. rodriguez. >> are you looking at it? >> as i said very clearly, yes. we are not using it 100%. we have been piloting the use. we are now in the middle of a third pilot. i think i talked before about the lessons we're using for that and how they will be used. but, yes, we are building the capacity. >> and there is n

doesn't it make it more difficult for refugees to assimilate if we haven't perfected our vetting process? >> i think we have a very, very strong robust vetting process. >> mr. rodriguez, mr. burson just said that this is an evolving threat. and they're changing the way that they do business. have you changed the way that you've vetted in the last six months? >> we are going over how we vet in a very active way. not just -- >> have you changed the way -- have you changed the way that you vet -- >> to make it even better. >> have you made any changes in the way you vet since san bernardino? >> since -- no, but there were no refugees involved in san bernardi bernardino. >> fair enough. i get that. did we just have a discussion about silos? aren't we going to learn something about the fiancee visa process and apply it to the refugee process? are you looking at social media? >> that i have to defer to mr. rodriguez on. >> mr. rodriguez, are y'all looking at social media? >> as i've said very clearly, yes, we have been. we're not using it 100%. we've been piloting the use. we are now in the mi

so you find that older muslims who arrived in the '50s and '60s are often perfectly assimilated. but as we see in this particular case, young muslims who are born here can be more radical. an extraordinary number of them, an extraordinary number of them do want to live under sharia, do believe in death for apostasy, do believe, for example, in female genital mutilation, do believe in honor killings. and the evidence is quite constant, not just in the united states but across the western world. >> shariah is the antithesis of what we as a democratic constitutional republic believe. >> right. >> i have to ask you one more question. the house homeland security chair representative mike mccall actually said the white house not releasing information to the public that it would indicate, this information, that isis plans and there are plans and we know it for isis to infiltrate the refugee population like they did in paris and the female shooter in this case was able to get in through a fiancee visa, and she gave the wrong address and we didn't even catch it. why should we trust the pr

if you grow up in that culture, how do we know if you want to come to america that you want to assimilate, adopt american values or if you want to bring those values that you grew up under with you? how do we -- should we be able to ascertain that? >> and that's a more fundamental question and that's an important question. that is, are people coming to live in america or are they coming to become american. there are people who are coming here to get away from that. they reject that ideology. >> i agree. but how do we determine who's who? >> that's a hard thing to do. i admit that's a much more difficult thing to do. we'll have to explore that. this is a new problem we faced just in the last few years where we used to be worried about people coming from abroad, but in addition to that we face people being radicalized here at home as well. this is a complex issue and requires us to treat it seriously and to acknowledge this is a serious interpretation of the muslim faith that causes people like isis to do what they're doing. >> mary horowitz went and asked some residents about what they wan

i mean you look at this, this is whole another way to enter the country to assimilate and come in.here were a million signs along the way. that is one of the most disturbing things about this. the from the fact she changed her address and you talk about the muslim exception, i know legitimate couples who tried to get married and tried to get this visa, went through many interviews. it is a really tough process. when you read about this it is amazing they weren't caught along the way. the problem, any way you can get here and do terror, terrorists are going to do it. it makes it a much bigger problem than reforming our visa system. this is a much bigger problem that needs to be cut off at the head. trying stop gap measures won't work. >> i like to go back to what andrea was pointing out, what i don't understand about, that why mainstream muslim organizations would want that to be case, right? immediately after the shooting in san bernardino cair organized this very strange press conference. then you had lawyers out a little later. andrea: brother went to by the way which is bizarre.

if you grow up in that country, how do we ascertain if somebody is willing to assimilate, that he want the breadth of freedom and new life for themselves and their family or if they want to bring their ideas, their culture with them? because i don't think can you read hearts and minds or ascertain what people's hearts are, do you? >> the way that we -- we're trying to pass this forward ideology is by defining what we call true. do they agree with the true islam? >> you can't deny. your religion is being hijacked. >> which is why we're talking about muslims and nonmuslims tell us who agrees with the definition of true islam? >> robert, there's a problem. radical -- robert, radical islamists take the words out of the koran and use it to justify killing. christians or jews for your friends, jihad, infidel, they take it literally. they look at the life of mohammed, a warrior. his life, his background. and they feel that they ought to replicate the califate, correct? >> yes, that is the lure that has drawn 30,000 muslims from aren't world to go to iraq and syria to join the islamic state. t