today, of course, being executive director for apaa, association of persons affected by addiction, which is a recovery organization, we're actually able to not only locally but also working with the state and the federal to actually move as being a part of the recovery movement, but it was only because of my personal recovery where it all started. and you're also working with some of the folks in the recovery movement in the mental health community. talk a little bit about that. very important, and, you know, i didn't see this at first and, of course, also being a licensed chemical dependency counselor to do the work on myself as well as to see about the co-occurring mental illness part and the mental health part of my own family. but the way it worked in my recovery is that being a counselor and working with people with co-occurring and also looking at my own family, now i'm at the level to where we're doing work with the managed care company, we're able to do also as far as the recovery-oriented system of care to integrate both sides of the system, the mental health side and the addict