joining us right now is joan astara, a bloomberg view columnist and coauthor of "indentured: the inside story of the rebellion against the ncaa." thank you for being here. you think college athletes should be paid, you've got a plan for it, how does it work? >> first of all, i this think they should be paid because when you have a $10 billion industry with an unpaid labor force, there's something wrong with that. everybody else is making millions. i've been a big proponent of a salary cap idea. which would put money in players' pockets, but not put so much money that it would break athletic departments all over the country. >> how much money are we talking? >> my argument is they are making money for the university, they are actually at the university, they've been admitted to the university to make money for the university. you can't say that about any other student. >> you could say that about some of the researchers who are there who are helping and doing other things too. >> sure, and who are getting paid. >> okay. i can't imagine how this would change schools. are there schools tha