when it comes to aggressive tax policies. >> what do you predict, you describe there as an astroturf campaign. what do you predict this astroturf campaign for cain might look like as the primary season keeps going? >> well, i think they'll continue to push the 9-9-9 plan because that seems to have all the attention of the media. they'll continue to have problems when it comes to herman cain articulating specifics on the issues as we've already seen. and they'll continue to preach, again, that pro corporate, anti-corporate accountability, anti-middle class, anti-working families agenda. i'm in wisconsin and i see the way that it's working. we have a governor who passed $2.3 billion in tax breaks for corporations and rich people. what's happened ten months in? well, our unemployment rate has risen 5.5% and we have 14,000 more people looking for employment. >> scot ross, executive director of one wisconsin now. thanks for helping us see how this worked on the ground in your state. thanks for your time tonight. >> thank you. >>> the interview tonight is our nation's ambassador to the uni

know the koch brothers love spending their fortunes on right wing political causes like funding the astroturf tea party but they also love spending their fortunes bribing foreign governments to a new report by bloomberg they do breaking today's a story about an internal investigation of koch industries back in two thousand and eight when an ethics manager with the corporation discovered that a french subsidiary of koch industries was bribing foreign officers to gain favorable contracts person who uncovered the bribes along with it by the name of little milla. for enos warned that the koch subsidiaries actions in her words constituted violations of criminal law she reported that the company tried to bribe at least six foreign governments but the investigation go much farther as the koch industries and city or prop promptly hired this internal investigator in two thousand and nine her findings though have just now been made available to the media which raises the possibility the koch's could be tried for violations of the foreign corrupt practices act which prohibits american companies from bri

you were reports of truth and it looks like a coach not only spent their fortunes on manufactured astroturf movements like the tea party in america but also in driving foreign governments and doing business with the likes of auckland. and they call themselves patrons. it is time for ideally pull your chance to tell us what you think according to bloomberg the koch brothers may be bribing foreign governments and doing business in iran which brings us to our poll question republicans now refuse the koch brothers money and choices are yes because they won't then be able to call themselves patriots or they'll take the money anyway they're going to let us know what you think the poll will be open until tomorrow morning. yep that would be the good of a very very long how did fully believe the good california governor jerry brown. took on his state legislature last week that decided it was a priority to pass legislation to allow mountain lions to be stuffed in displayed a bowl of creating jobs in california brown wrote a letter to lawmakers saying i am signing s.p. seven sixty nine which allows fo

for the next generations there, tells you that what is really happening here is that you have astroturfingl big labor organizations that are fighting for their self-preservation. and because they have a bottom less well of funding, thanks to the forced deuce racket that has gone unchallenged for so long in this country, they don't care. they are going to throw everything at the wall, three all of this money down a sinkhole, and they know that sometimes it will work. of course, the intimidation and the thug tactics that we saw in wisconsin were just a warmup. but i think a lot of these unions, particular the service employees international union, afl-cio, which has poured $1 million into this astroturf front group we are ohio, slash, we are one there this ohio are putting all are of their rank and file on the ground there. they are squeezing deuce out of a lot of members who disagree, not only with their tactics, but with their ideology. you interviewed a member of the ohio education association, a teacher named jay thompson, earlier this year who blew the whistle on how her union, the oea,

mafia must have scared the president because he backtracked as soon as he got on the car dash in astroturf in hollywood have you seen the chicago i have not see the show is this you to juggle with it was. so mr president you never actually watched the car dash really i call bull obama be honest you've watched you just never turn the sound on personally i tune in for that cutie drop but if i may let's examine how these two families have more in common than they think and i don't just mean their penchant for hanging out with rappers who are loud mouthed drunks with long hair and bad spray tans kim has actually undertaken a massive jobs act of her own but instead of hiring fourteen million americans c.t. authors services the fourteen points here. it. was. he sorry sorry that. it's never happened where. i am speaking of employment president obama's been making a regular appearances on the television sets of american households to show the country that he's capable of putting jobs in the laps of americans so they can already did years earlier actually but only with her ex singer ray j. that foo

parties around the country didn't cover us and when they did begin to cover us we were radicals astroturf terrorists racist these folks actually break the law and they become rock stars so these folks that break the law curious to hear how some of the protesters feel about this so let's go to someone with occupy wall street herself and was front and center over the weekend on the brooklyn bridge protester katie falkenberg. hey there katie i guess i want to get your reaction first talks news have a get how to guest on just a few hours ago calling you and all the other people down there you know he said they brought tents where you're not supposed to camp they're not law abiding citizens what do you think about that. i think it's kind of a joke i mean these people are giving up their their livelihoods to exercise their rights and you know the whole thing about the square being publicly privately owned public space it's such a mess that you know you you can't even begin to tell anyone to get off the property. but people are exercising their rights i think is the most important thing going on

and i think we're going to have an organic grassroots movement this is the real grassroots not the astroturf that the tea party was this is not funded by rich folks these are ordinary folks who are saying like that movie set up enough and i'm not going to take it any more we're the hard deal moment this is our howard beale moment it seems like it's also a crisis in the way that we've been doing business in the united states we you know for from certainly from the thirty's until the eighty's until reagan came along and stopped in force in the sherman antitrust act and eighty two we had regulated capitalism and it worked quite well our banks were regulated we had three decades the. seventy sixty seventy s. and eighty's with the highest g.d.p. growth in the history the nation only three decades were in over three percent every single decade. and then it kind of all went to hell over the last thirty years in large part because of this deregulation mania is it time for us to be looking at alternatives to the traditional way of doing business i know you've you've formed an alliance of some sort wi

others are saying about this new movement, just as, you know, nancy pelosi dismissed the tea party as astroturf, of violence. i saw them toting automatic weapons myself at one of these rallies, but ultimately that didn't have an effect on the movement itself, because that was generated from within. so i don't think that republican statements about this movement are going to do anything but embolden them further. >> i want to shift to big news that happened at the republican conference today. rick perry was introduced by an evangelical pastor robert jeffers, one of the organizers of the big summer prayer rally. after formally endorsing perry today, he dropped this bombshell. >> rick perry is an evangelical christian, a good, moral perso., mormonism has always been considered a cult by the mainstream of christianity. so it's the difference between a christian and nonchristian. the spokesman responded by saying perry does not believe mormonism is a cult. i had this debate and discussions, views based on the history. i went to salt lake city. they're not a cult, whether i agree with their denominat

. >> and also astroturf.t's the same mistake the democrats made at the beginning of the tea party movement. >> eric kantor is proving himself to be a big part of the problem and not part of the solution. he is in a position to help pass obama's jobs bill and to try to change the thing that is the protesters are complaining about instead of dismissing them. that is a road to nowhere. >> what do you think of dana's point that this could be a tea party up rising for the left? >> other people made that point too. i happened to be walking with the columnist afterwards. he made the same difference. i don't know. i don't see it. one thing you have to give the tea party people, they were well educated about what they want and they had a lot of money and elected a lot of people to congress. >> the interview with herman that everyone is talking about. you may not believe what he said. stay with us. >> nextweek, first lady michelle obama will break the mark for the most people doing jumping jacks in a 24-hour period. it

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this is the corporate astroturf. they were denouncing it from the get-go. this was different. tone was overwhelmingly positive. you count the sound bites. our jeff dickens counted the sound bites and 93% of them were positive. protesters and people saying this was a wonderful thing. there really is at some point a question as to whether this is just advertising instead of news. >> bill: all right. so, tea party was portrayed in some precincts on network news as racist, as destructive, particularly after that little gauntlet thing where the congressman walked in and they were being shouted at and all of that. >> right. >> bill: while it was branded as such by the network news, i don't think there is any doubt about that. this movement, even though 34% of it according to the new york magazine thinks america is as gadd as al qaeda. that was a magazine very liberal magazine new york took. this is being stun as a good, wholesome, demonstration of legitimate dissent. >> not only that not really being described as ideological at all. you go looking and i believe we found two or three

the complaints, they're not saying it is astroturf, they say they have other insults for it, and we're> and you went to the demonstrations in new york. the they treating occupy wall street more sympathetically than the tea party? >> and we have been following who is behind it, who is funding it, where do these beautifully produced faux newspapers come from. i notice that haven't gotten coverage, you see a hodge podge and posters, but you don't see representative from -- no wage gap ceiling, women as bankers, wall street would be a friend leer place. now the occupy wall street advise people not to go to the police. >> there's a good story in "the washington post" about interviewing both wall street protesters and tea party protesters. i think the challenge for journalists, figuring out what the protesters want. there's no established leadership. it is easy to focus on a few crazy people with signs or people engaging in appropriate behavior. hard to make judgments on the movement as a whole. >> i think that's right. and actually i think main street media were slow to pick up on this stor

york and other places versus the tea party rallies where the democrats have talked about being astroturfingn 72 hours, you promised you were going to take away governor chris christie's inhaler. you threatened to do this. well, you did. you told me he heard you say it if he doesn't run. and i thought when he spoke of the reagan library that it was over. but apparently, you know, the mystery continues for another 72 hours. and you are begging him to run. why? >> well, i must say i kind of flipped now. i seem to be one of the few people who now believe he's not going to run. while he was at the reagan library, i didn't believe he was not going to run back in june or july or august, but he said it often enough and i still haven't heard him say anything about him reconsidering. i hear others say it. >> i have it on good authority that what we reported at the top of the show today is true, that he did spend the entire weekend thinking about it. he is reconsidering. he has talked it over with his family and a final decision will come this week. if he gets in, you are going to be thrilled to death

. >> nancy pelosi tried to talk about astroturf. you see where that got her. >>> great. thank you guys. you're both right about everything. thank you, dana milbank and dee dee. the passionless so far presidency. >>> up next, republican senator scott brown of massachusetts just commit a cardinal sin in politics? we'll see. stick around for the sideshow. you're watching "hardball" only on msnbc. [ male announcer ] nature valley sweet & salty nut bars... they're made from whole roasted nuts and dipped in creamy peanut butter, making your craving for a sweet & salty bar irresistible, by nature valley. >>> back to "hardball." now for the side show. to start off a quick follow-up on something from last night's sideshow, on this week's democratic senate debate up in massachusetts, it all started with elizabeth warren, the democrat, got the audience laughing with this response. let's listen. >> to help pay for his law school education, scott brown posed for "cosmo." how did you pay for your college education? >> i kept my clothes on. >> incumbent scott brown got wind of that jok

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it was completely astroturf. if you go and talk to organizers in the tea party movement, and i have talked to a lot of them, believe me. they are grassroots and they are sending out e-mails to people and getting them to come to meetings. >> they moved in just way they are on "occupy wall street." there was a tea party in london after this happened. this was not freedom works setting up protests in london. these things were spontaneous. the thing i think they have in common is that everyone thinks there is this unhealthy relationship between finance and government. the people on the right and the tea party types see it as a problem with government. the people on the left think it is a problem in the world of finance. it is a fairly broad area of agreement to work from. i think we be probably all trace this back to the bailouts, the moment in which everybody kind of said, jesus, this doesn't work. people on the right and the left, i went, crap, we just gave money to these guys. >> are we able to say crap and or jes

caller: the tea party was an astroturf movement, supported by industry.hey put a lot of money into it, going around, assigning people, telling people that they were going to teach the president grammar. which, in fact, republicans are the culprits of these things. people are dying because of cuts in services to people that do not have jobs. on the other hand, wall street supporters, that is an organic movement. it is not money that fires people up. it is ideas. you just have to look at them to know their platform. get money out of government. host: some callers have said that george soros supports this group. caller: thank god for that. how many dollars as george soros put into this organic movement? can you tell me? host: no. caller: know, you can. -- no, you cannot. they want to tell the big lie, telling it over and over again, until people start to believe it. because we want to show a system that has varied opinions, just because you do not have one does not mean that you do not matter. whether they are truth or not. host: we have to go, but you got y

willing to do with occupy wall street, in all the accusations of the tea party movement, we were astroturfstic terrorists, racist, woof not held occupy wall street to the same standards. and i think there are those behind it, the unions and george soros driving this process, but because they don't have a binding philosophy, i think you're looking at hundreds and maybe thousands of people, not the millions of tea partiers that have sustained themselves over three years now demanding change from government. >> clayton: it will be interesting to see if any of the occupy wall street people get elected to congress much as the tea partiers. matthew kibbe. thank you for joining us. >> and remember cars were decorated with stars and stripes. you don't see that as much these days, one is bringing back the feeling. >> dave: who is funnier, men or women? and the show seinfeld may hold clues as it always does. it's coming up next. ♪ ♪ ♪ [ multiple sounds making melodic tune ] ♪ [ male announcer ] at northrop grumman, every innovation, every solution, comes together for a single purpose -- to make the