adviser to boris johnson, lord kulveer, ranger, head of comms at popular conservatism and auntie ata rees—moggformer labour special adviser paul richards. good morning to you all. merry christmas. very happy to see you all. hello. hi, ben. sorry to start the show on such a sombre note, but i just wanted to convey, as i said, the human story behind this massive debate on migration, illegal migration, uncontrolled mass, illegal migration. your thoughts? kulveer ranger on this poor little boy. and what should happen now in terms of the west's response to the migration problem? >> well, firstly, on andre glaser, you know, as a father of two young boys, it does, you know, viscerally upset you when you hear these stories. and i know everybody gets upset, but when you've got your own young children, you can directly relate to what that family must be feeling right now. you know, it's very challenging. i know you've got young children. >> to be honest, i nearly lost it just then. but thankfully, it's hard. >> it's hard. and then we have to step back and go, right. what can we do here? obviously we hav