if the crowds are seen as minimal impaired to the huge crowds he had on the west coast in t atalanta portland. i also think there will be a , not that he us to go negative, but he has been astrained in terms of drying contrast. he's got to go more there. at the fair, it is a venue that is good for him. they need to use these organizing opportunities to collect e-mail addresses. the clinton people are investing resources. there is a question how much is sanders willing to do the hard work? john: a lot of organizing. our second topic has to do with had newslinton, we've reports that have rocked the democratic world. and his supporters are trying to get him in the race. there is some movement in al gore's world. we also know there is some movement in joe biden's world. biden is making phone calls now. you, whon i have for is more likely to get it? two titanic vice presidents. who would be more problematic? mark: gore would be more problematic. unbounded would be than joe biden, who is friendly with hillary clinton. party, everyone in the they don't trust going into the fall, into the winter with