four atf agents are dead. 16 wounded. with an unknown number of casualties inside the compound, including david koresh. >> at this hour fbi agents are negotiating with the cult leader. he reportedly believes he is jesus christ. >> mr. koresh, how are you doing? >> fair to middling. >> i understand you've been wounded. will you describe your position? >> weakening. >> are you shot, sir? >> yes, i am. >> well, communications opened up pretty quickly. he loved to talk. he loved to hear himself talk. >> how is god going to talk to me in the latter days? so there will be no excuse. >> so there was no lack of communication. there was a lack of productive communication. >> there's a lot of children here. i've had a lot of babies the last few years. >> is it true, david that, one of the children, a 2-year-old, is dead. >> yeah, that's true. >> he was so calm to a point where you began immediately questioning what kind of a personality are we dealing with? >> here we are at the day of the lord. god will be in the position for bloo

. >> but a field agent from the regional atf office was doing something. secretly. though his investigation had nothing to do with the abuse allegations. his name is davie aguilera. this is the first time he has talked publicly about the case. >> it's very difficult for me to do this. i have been bottling this up for the longest time. i try to put it behind me, but it never goes away. >> in the summer of 1992 agent aguilera got a tip from u.p.s. that a box delivered to the compound had accidentally broken open, revealing a stash of grenade hulls. that tip began a seven-month investigation to determine if the branch davidian were stockpiling illegal weapons. >> they had acquired hundreds of weapons -- rifles, pistols, shotguns, grenades, grenade launchers. almost two million rounds of ammunition. >> i was discovering a lot of ar-15s. they were converting these weapons from semiautomatic to automatic weapons. >> fully automatic rifle is, of course, illegal to possess. >> this is not against law about firearms. it's not against the law to buy anything that they sell at

but i think for the members of the atf, i want to make sure i make one thing clear form the atf never the fbi and -- political appointees, they work hand in hand. so this is not something, well, you say it's a few agents, as they tried to say initially in fast and furious. this is the president, president obama's department of justice that continues to support these sting operations, these rogue operations as they're called, that lead to harm in communities. >> the journal sentinel said they found that mentally ill or disabled foix were being used and later arrested in these cases. the young people were being plied with alcohol and pot. people were being offered huge sums to turn in guns, creating a cottage industry of doing this, so far what we're hearing from the atf, they had a statement saying thinks biased reporting and they were doing their jobs p. >> their job is to enforce the system that prevents guns from being sold wrong. they do have an investigative role, but that's hand in hand with the fbi, u.s. attorneys and department of justice. i think what we have here once again,

and i retired from atf in 2010.ount. >> yeah. and of course i was special agent in charge of commanders, so many of my people were involved in shootings and barricaded situations and chases and so forth. random shootings. and atf of course enforces the gun and explosive and bomb and arsenal and also always involved in violence. yes, it's always too much. it's really sad to see it constantly go on. i think the politicians really have to do something for the country here. the history of our laws has been that when these things happen the assassinations of the '60s brought us some changes in the law, the crime wave of the '30s brought us national firearms act. but we're not seeing any kind of action. senator manchin's bill at checks at gun shows and internet, it's a good law and supported by most of americans and we have to start thinking positively. we need to do something on mental health. it can be done as well. >> it can be done. i appreciate, jim, your insights and helping us through this breaking news. i also app

then on february 28th, 1993, following a gun battle between the atf and members of a religious groupians, federal agents lay siege to the group's compound near waco, texas. a suspected cache of illegal weapons is at the center of the controversy. >> mcveigh was just absolutely in a rage over both of those incidents, but the one thing that pushed him over the edge and turned him into a terrorist was the waco incident. >> at one point, mcveigh drives to waco to observe the siege. >> he went and parked his car nearby and selling anti-government pamphlets, giving interviews to at least one reporter back then about how much he distrusted the u.s. government. >> during an assault by the fbi on april 19th, the branch davidian come pound is engulfed by fire. at least 76 men, women and children die during the inferno. >> mcveigh told us that he was convinced that the u.s. government purposely murdered women and children at the waco compound. it was all part of an effort to destroy gun rights in america. >> the triggering moment was waco. he was there, and he decided that the government had go

the atf has just arrived to assist in this investigation which is normal with fires this large. the man who runs a company located on this property was telling us earlier how helpless he felt. his neighbors, the fmw machine shop is gone. the fire was so big firefighters immediately called for a second alarge on arrival. you see what they were up against in this video from our chopper. there was a real chance of this taking out an entire block of homes and businesses. then they called for a thinker, fourth, fifth, and sixth alarm which is is very unusual. we're talking about 20 engines on sight. it's a surround and drown tactic. it caused significant damage to an adjacent 11-unit apartment complex home to seven people. they owe a big thanks to one man who happened to be coming home from work at that early hour. he saw the flames and knew those people needed today be awakened fast. >> i just went to the apartment next door and pounded on the walls and doors and windows and said get out of there. the guy was blind, but i don't think he understand until he noticed that a guy like me

atf investigators, along with palo alto and sunnyvale fire departments combed the scene. no one would say what they were looking for. crews were hoping to enter the home yesterday but the structure was too unstable. a man and his care taker lived at the home. >> an off-duty san francisco police officer is accused of shooting a person during a fight after a fender bender. the officer and the other driver pulled into a gas station where the two got into an altercation. that's when the officer fired her gun. grazing the other person in the leg. the injury was not serious. the officer was in her personal car and was not in her uniform at the time. >>> a deal with iran being praised tonight by top u.s. diplomats. details on the temporary nuclear deal and what the president is saying about efforts to get stauffer on -- get tougher on iran. >> the water emergency in west virginia is stretching into another night. >> i'm meteorologist leigh glaser. i know we're in january but get ready for some spring warmup. the temperatures will be climbing this upcoming work >>> president obam

in fact, when the atf called and said that the shotgun used in the murders up in columbia had been purchased at united gun shop, they figured he must have been shot or something himself and had the gun stolen because they couldn't conceive of this mild mannered 19-year- old going and doing something like that. his mother spoke to our partner, wnew. she said the same thing. he's a vegetarian because he didn't want to kill animals. never had guns in the house where i'm standing. she was completely mystified, horrified, in tears about what had happened. back to you. >> everyone seems to be stunned. somebody missed something. but nobody knows what just yet. we're going to continue to follow the columbia mall tragedy very closely. we'll have the latest information during the 7:00 p.m. newscast, plus you can log on to our website, wusa9.com for full coverage 24 hours a day. >>> breaking news now. a 10-year-old girl has been rescued after she fell down a 30-foot well. that's in pasadena, maryland. sky 9 out over the scene near high point elementary. rescue teams from the anne arundel county fire de

attorney in fact he was at the atf much longer than he was u.s. attorney.ve had federal judges call repeatedly. we now have a very good candidate who is supported by law enforcement. and now the senate has decided not to take up unanimous information is being blocked. we have a situation where people are working 882 days without a full-time box. and i do think that it is actually outrageous. when minnesota became a state and this is the office that prosecuted the second biggest case next to ernie made off and this is the case in the office that dealt with what would have been the additional terms for 9/11 it has handled numerous cases and has been one of the best u.s. attorney offices. and i have talked everyone about this, but it has to end. i just asked a republican colleague and my colleagues when we were in iowa and minnesota when senator grassley repeatedly criticized the office in minnesota. with crime numbers and other things that i have mentioned. that we get the u.s. attorney in minnesota and i would like to comment about that. >> i agree with you

and in comparable to the capital they decided to organize their own demonstrations in support of the atf demonstrators began with posters saying that they wish integration into the european union. and with them leading the european union needs to be able to fight to the russian influence that the fear. i thank you grandma seven have seen at ten degrees at mt on that thanks to us and for watching report is teaching and again the same time next week too the zone revisit it. dawson one of the most densely populated regions in the world. since the last war with israel the palestinian enclave continues to rebuild against the backdrop of the precariously spot the effect that the use of the blockade and ian went to circuit by hamas is control of his heart. should students restaurant owners all if you're in for more free. they share with us their frustration. here is some hope. the subgroup is that it once was and kept in force but kept on top the room. i will. it is. is this. these it is. masala our pride of place in sven is over swamps of iraq while washington finals arms to state forces but w

it's an atf hiatus as he said crime is that voice to me was the last visit to. and i think it's all the talks too speaks to a much more aggressive japan and you know the chinese are aware of that force with the items that i had also have a theory that the indian ocean is not the g a political hot spot. i'm baffled japan is also establishing a beach head in that in the indian ocean shia political as zone that i've seen speaking about. many thanks indeed to felony counts up to the chief executive officer on the rich management suspect it was there from my rugby the south korean president park eun hye he is aging japanese fleet is too was trying their actions and remarks in accordance with that cost apologies to south korea did an interview with cnn on monday. talk also urged japanese leaders to have a correct understanding of history calling it the basis of japan and south korean relations. looking towards legal basis neighbors that at least geographically japan. you haven't met with prime minister shinzo up a system that is if you took talent that all historical

the failed atf operation known d furious that led to the murder of u.s.order patrol agents bryan terry. >> the idea behind that thinking suggests that there was some grand plan behind the fast and furious program when in fact everyone knows, the president did not know about this tactic until he heard about it through the media. lou: everyone knows that the president did not know. of course, the terrorist attack in benghazi, which relied this week at the central intelligence agency had warned of at least seven times this green june and august of 2012 that there were setting of sanctuary. they're mnistrations stuck to its false story that the attack was a spontaneous flair of demonstration after protests to get an amateurish vid that was characterized as anti muslim. now the president of the white house has ever explained why he told the same fall since two weeks later before the united nations general assembly will have even though they knew no such protests or demonstrations and ever occurred for such a reason. the president's claims of ignorance in the f

investigative work i don't owe me of another school or congressional testimony on the stump by for instance one atf the cache was based at the city's name is carlos can you describe the fact that at one point at the height of six years for him. when you're sober thousand weapons going across the border a hunter percent of those weapons including ones that could be fielded two. harmison all the rebate items he does and we're going to guess what the steelers don't that's literally what the defense. but the defense team for this it is a private defense was that this is part of his agreement and this is additional evidence to show that the impact it had an arrangement with the da end i will have a few seconds last night. now we know that us mexican relations have been strained over the years in the approach i've to the war on drugs was the sense of how mexico might respond to these revelations. well in the light of revelations have been out for for quite a long time and with the mexican government has pretty much played. don't miss it that they effectively been expressed some concern or even someone yo

when the atf called him on saturday, they were able to revive the paperwork and his home address. also, a picture because a copy of his drivers license was taken. >> more on that big story ahead but now let's go to our other big story. the deep freeze -- it is making its way across the country and right into the washington metro area. in north dakota, the subzero temperatures were accompanied by blinding snow and wind. tomorrow, that pattern can show up. it is expected all the way from texas to the carolinas. after the warmest day in the week here, we are headed to another time of dangerous temperatures. outside the weather furniture center, we were in the lower 50's but now we are up -- down to the upper 20's. temperatures are falling quick. lapse in fairfax, you will notice we warmed up. look how much the snow melted. a little bit of a breeze started to dry things out. 54 at reagan national. it was a little cooler for the highs in the west but still pretty high. now temperatures are starting to drop. in fredericksburg and as the temperatures drop and the winds pick up, the windc

reports that a gun from the federal gun trafficking operation known as fast and furious run by the atf now turned up at the scene of the drug cartels shootout in mexico. at least one ak-47 was discoveredast month 60 miles south of arizona were issued wi mexican authorities left five cartel members dead. a federal judge in new york this week upheld most of the state's strict new gun-control laws including an expanded assault weapons ban. the second amendment and to have advocates can claim a partial victory bause he als struck down a provision that prevented them honors from loading more than seven rounds into a legal ten round magazine. end "duck dynasty" is launching a new business venture, and camouflage guns. it partnered with mossberg o all line of nine shotguns, two rifles, and a semiautomatic pistol. back to talk about obamacare. i want to start witith you. this issue of medicaid expanding across the country at a rate that is dramatic, it doee not even begin to express the explosiveness, the scale of the increase. what will be its impact? >> well, it is a good question to ask

. >> the atf says atf has accepted responsibility for the mistakes made in the fast and furious investigationture crime scenes. and the statistic you just brought up that there is still 1400 guns out there, this could last for a very long time. >> absolutely. and atf's definition of responsibility has always been a very loose one that they use. a lot of the people who were at the head of fast and furious haven't been fired, not to mention a lot of them are now in higher positions than they were before. and we're talk -- there is not a lot that eric holder will admit, but there is one thing he does admit and that is that we're going to see lots of murders, lots of deaths down the road as a result of this operation. we're talking about hundreds of mexican citizens already killed. we're talking about border patrol agent brian terry here in the united states being killed, and of course, let's not forget that these guns are being used by cartel members against chiefs of police, against public officials, against people like -- just people in public office. it's not like they're just killing each ot

atf and fbi immediately send field agents to retrieve the stump. >> we asked our people to do it low-keyep it very quiet, don't tell anybody. about an hour later, someone came in to chief moose's office and said, look at the tv. >> agents from the fbi have just finished up their search. >> the helicopters and the news people were out there watching our people in this back yard in tacoma, washington. >> a federal arrest warrant has been issued for john allen muhammad, also known as john allen wales. >> the end came around 1:00 a.m. at a rest stop outside of frederic, maryland. a sharp-eyed motorist who heard the police call earlier spotted the blue 1990 chevrolet caprice with two men sleeping inside. >> there was a six-person assault element. they pulled both individuals out john allen muhammad and lee boyd malvo in less than three seconds. i looked down and i saw lee boyd malvo and you could see the sweat coming down his face and this is a cold october night and you could see he was just scared. and then john muhammad was on the other side and he was more defiant. >> police lined up in a

and so the fbi started working as a joint task force with atf and because we had bombs in the mail, with the postal inspection service. >> the task force dubs the investigation una bomb. university and airline bombings because the first four bombs were affiliated with university locations or airlines. >> from the beginning, the investigation is hampered by a lack of evidence. the unabomber's devices are relatively crude, making it difficult to trace them back to their maker. >> there wasn't a lot of evidence left. and the evidence that we could identify, matches and pieces of wood, nails, were the kinds of things you could buy at any hardware store. >> we started calling him early the junkyard bomber, because in fact he would make these bombs from scratch. he didn't go buy components and pieces of metal and that type of thing. he went out to piles of old abandoned cars, to carve off chrome to use in his bomb construction. he used scraps of wood. >> everything you find at a bomb scene, everybody single piece of evidence is critical because, for one, you have to decide how the device funct

sure they're protected, is there a bomb on the person, he talked about his partners, he'll have fbi, atf, making sure that's safe and then he'll get everybody out. that's where he is. >> i noticed he mentioned out of an abalanceds and of caution, as he put it, because the shooter is it had ammunition, there was a possibility there my be explosives. i guess they're now checking the body to figure out in there are indeed explosives. and i would assume the next step is to start to look at things like the video footage and try to recreate the scene and such? >> you're right. what's simultaneously going to go on as well, though, is they're going to go to the shooter's house with a search warrant and you're going to see a methodical search there also by bomb disposal. you remember the aurora theater where the shooter had rigged his apartment to explode. >> right. >> so people are suicidal. this shooter, from all the facts, we know, was suicide sal so he might have done something in his home. so the police will be there. they want evidence of what's happened. they want his computers, his papers

marshals, atf and fbi. i was listening to the audio while they were clearing it and it was an extremely coordinated response, going from store to store. each team was able to say exactly where the other team was. as a former s.w.a.t. operator i can tell you, it was done the right way. and also the ems response. i was listening that units were clearing from the hospital, going back to staging. you had a number of different counties that were also involved in that. on police, fire, ems, unbelievable response and command and control, outstanding. >> before even the law enforcement, ems show up, mall employees and mall management. >> yes. absolutely. one of the person we had on by phone yesterday, i was on the same line, she says s.w.a.t.'s here. she said i want to tell you, they train us here at the mall if something happens, go inside a store, lock the door, put your phone on silent and wait for police to come. that's exactly what a lot of the the employees did. that's why it did take quite some time for the

versus the company's cash being used for buybacks and bonds and atfs and everything.drive up the market higher. i don't know which side is going to win. that's what i'm paying attention to. >> mark, it's tim again. thank you very much. you talk about risk, we in the last four or five years have seen the risk of policy failures. but corporate america, as a corporate executive, how do you feel about the environment right now that u.s. corporates are facing, whether it's washington, the global environment and the fed has controlled the monetary supply in a way on some level, a lot of people have been sitting on the sidelines in the corporate world. how do you feel about that part of the setup here? >> that's a great question, tim. there's two different worlds. there's the companies that have 10,000, 100,000 or more employees that live in a macro world. they're the ones that are truly impacted by it on a day-to-day basis. if you're at&t, samsung, you're apple, you're google, you know, policy impacts you in a lot of ways. for someone like myself, who, you know, i think acr

. >> we learned from the atf that the handgun he used had been stolen. >> he carried a weapon frequentlyhad a couple of bullets actually in his body from a previous gun fight. >> after the incident, turner and mcginniss are recognized for their valor and courage and awarded several honors. they appreciate the praise but are even more grateful to be alive. >> i think that's what he expected. that if he just picked the time, charged through, that he'd be able to carry it off. >> when i look back at this whole thing, this guy was going to kill a police officer, take his car and just drive on out of there. it's just unreal. >>> coming up -- an officer is nearly dragged to death. >> i remember thinking that if this vehicle runs over me, i'm probably going to die. >> when "caught on camera, dash cam diaries" continues. [ dog whine ] but alka-seltzer plus severe cold and flu speeds relief to these eight symptoms. [ breath of relief ] thanks. [ male announcer ] you're welcome. ready? go. get it! [ male announcer ] can't find theraflu, try alka-seltzer plus for fast liquid cold and flu relief. wh

on the gullible by the sounds of things that was an all out much of a meaningful reconciliation the atf today the kentucky case doesn't cut into the crowd to try to stop the violence that which he did what it calls its estimate for today he dialed the summer the protected even at times on him and i think he could to probably see that the idea of how other artists pesos to somebody of fights and had a fire extinguisher in his face that's on top of that it just would really get the effect it got to the protest is already a radical plan to protest and have completely lost confidence in the political leaders which is a very worrying development. i was going to crack reporting from ts. just hearing now that the ukrainian president the geometry which is promising to create a cross policy commission to china and the fiscal crisis that is according to the opposition leader the tiny casket. we're just hearing from in the report. he's been holding talks in adamstown at the presidential residence of the day on the course of today. though abuse the office of the syrian president bashar al assad say

. >>> let me bring in retired atf special agent jim cavanaugh, also an msnbc law enforcement analyst. thank you for joining us here. >> sure, tamron. >> authorities say this is of low concern, but nevertheless they need to examine the seven suspicious packages in the new york and new jersey area. this speaks of security at the big events, the super bowl and other big events that could be a target for terrorism. this is a time when we're focusing so much on sochi and the security threats there. we know when you have a large number of people, tens of thousands of people gathering in one location in the new york city area, especially, security has to be at its highest, even if it gives the feeling that big brother is watching us. >> right, tamron, exactly. for years we considered in federal law enforcement these super bowls as nationals, special security events. they've been designated by the secret service. they're big events. so there's a lot of security, homeland security, jersey state authorities, local police, federal agents. but the people that want to do us harm or even the people

they were principally an atf blackrock bought about five years ago.he firm intern blackrock into the world's leader in etf's am a which is an exploding industry. -- global investors in conducted analyst surveys where it would ask analysts for their opinions -- >> before it was visible to other parts of blackrock and to the outside. >> that is this nonpublic information issue. whether blackrock was getting stuff from these analysts that the analysts were not making available to other he investors at the sit -- to other investors at the same time. >> are you more bullish or bearish on the companies that you cover, but the fact that blackrock -- >> they fused the answers into algorithms. i remember when reg fd came the nextes changed of day. there is a new way. i don't see that here. i don't see a radical change. >> what you see here is systematic of what -- is symptomatic of what happened before reg fd. firms are bowing to the pressure of powerful investors. blackrock, by virtue of its size, is the world's most powerful asset manager. on the basis of th

i would feature on this plan and was thankful to the atf was going on with the jr eighteen s with the tools and easy and cost until stoppage time to the left and up to eighteen minutes. there was a u turn and they couldn't quite pull it to you turn to those reading a change of policy there was a change of prime minister and all the sudden slicing the banks and insurance companies and everything else. i'm not industrial companies that was that was not exactly that but the city opened the county to the markets they open the al east to commercial radio the tittle says the things i was at least this is something that cost model has experience with east a good memory he was inside when it was happening citizen to pay the costs of the room and he will have to take a look at this but she's doing and he will definitely have to take on the left of his paci and he probably doesn't have the kind of authority that osman me to live at the time husband maurice get them to death. and i don't think that's the case of a spoon on the missing man can he do it taking on the left of his paci to namibia ha

the atf sent us a statement in relation to this.r the mistakes made in the fast and furious investigation. and at the attorney general's direction, we have taken action to ensure that these errors will not be repeated. and firearms will likely to be continued to be recovered at future crime scenes. this is the last time that tweer going to be talking about fast furious weapons turning up at these scenes. >> what a real nightmare. thanks so much. >>> and now an update on that fire raging in the wake of a reported explosion at an apartment building in minneapolis. fire officials say that at least 13 people have been injured, some of them critically. we're told victims have been taken to the university of minnesota medical center and the county medical center. joining us right now on the phone is robert ball. he's the operation's supervisor with the ems. how many people are hurt and what are the extent of the injuries? >> at this time, we don't have a solid answer for you. these patients are still being evaluated at the hospital. most

following oregon's medicaid expansion which, for a number of reasons, has been a really good one to look atfble care act will look like. and they found when people gained medicare there, they used the emergency room 40% more than when they were uninsured. and that does push back against the claim that is the affordable care act will reduce emergency visits. now, we don't know if everyone will look exactly like oregon, if some people will have reductions, bigger increases, but this study is definitely a real blow to people who had thought all these people gaining medicaid coverage would start going to their primary care doctors instead. of. john: well, obamacare is here. again, thanks for coming in and sharing with us some of the expected results. we'll keep an eye on it, sarah kliff. jenna: secretary of state kerry is in the middle east right now, and he's not getting a warm reception this time. palestinian demonstrators protesting secretary kerry's efforts to advance peace talks with israel, calling him a coward and telling him to go home. in the meantime, in israel around 300 protesters ga

so throughout the year at atfs, we had about $74 billion of equity in inses in our mutual fund business, was our position in mutual funds here in the united states and throughout the world. where we had about $38 billion worth of growth last year. we had about a mix of 14 billion in growth and bonds and growth in multi asset and growth in equities. and then a rally in december, it was really generated by the three balancing mechanisms. and i think i spoke about publicly that we are seeing companies who said such large profits and equities needed to ask themselves do they want to have such a high percentage in asset allocation and equities and the answer was i need to be more balanced. >> so what role does that play? >> there will be a great rotation, but the great rotation will be in bonds. the problem with bonds, the core bond index, which is the barclay's aggregates index, 85% of a price movement is based on duration. the problem is, do you want an interest so linked to interest rates? if you believe this interest rate is going to have higher, this is going to be a painful index to wh

well, former atf agent and author of "the unarmed truth" john dodson is here to weigh in on this.s someone who has been with the story from the beginning to know that nobody has been held accountable so far for "fast and furious"? >> very much so. i'm currently an aff agent and that makes it worse. still being in the government service and a member of the department of justice, to see the department act in such a way after trying to hide the football in "fast and furious" for so long and trying to wait until the oig report came out and now trying to increase the brand awareness with this linked-in adebay. >> if there's any agency in government that has brand awareness, it's d.o.j. what do you make of the new allegation that the fbi had ties to brian terry's killers? >> well, it's -- as i lay out in the book, it's kind of -- the facts are out there. all people have to do is put it together. it's quite simply that the united states government is involved in cartel building. the strategy -- it's the same mindset that was involved in fast and furious. the best way to combat firearms t