. >> we will discuss practical applications on how to do this on "atf edge," and you are seeing flows, am i correct? >> we are. we are one example, bob, is in the bond space. if you bought a total return fund, chances are you are down on that investment somewhere between 12 and 15% so a simple example might be if you had a $25,000 investment and right now it's worth $22,000, and sell it at $22,000 and take a $3,000 loss, and invest the proceeds in an aggregate bond atf, and then the $3,000 loss can be used to offset an ordinary income. you just saved yourself $1,000 when you file for taxes in april of 2022. >> that's a practical application. we will have more on that on " "eftf edge." i see you have a combination of dividends and defensive stocks being very potent this year, no? >> yeah, we're heartened by the inflows we have seen in the schwaab u.s. dividend etf. that space, the dividend space has been the number one asset gathererer if you look at factor investing, and that's the biggest winner among that space, and we think there's attributes that give investors comfort, and to you

guy >> yes. >> but the atf agents were not about to lead jason scott walk away so easily.irators in the weapons theft, an instinct suggested he might be the kind of petty criminal that might be happy to throw others under the bus for a lenient deal. so the feds offer him a proffer session. sometimes called king for a day. in monopoly it's called get out of jail free card. it's an agreement between the prosecutor and suspect that essentially says, you tell us everything you know and we'll go easy on you. and the stuff to they spilled out, you will not come after me? that's the agreement? >> if we can't prove that any other way besides him telling, us than there is nothing you can't do. you can't use his statements against him when that statement is given in that proffer session. >> agents chuck black and company had been on the job for a long time. but will happen next them even them. >> we come into the room to conduct the session with jason scott. myself and dave chapped like around the side of the table. jason in his defense to turn air sitting across. for us we see jaso

put them in the same category like machine guns were you have through atf and get a background check, and that way you know who has them and there's no problem. there's not a problem with buying a gun. you can buy any anything thu want as long as you pass the right background check. thank you. >> host: dan and noble illinois. this is the line for independents. good morning. >> caller:oo good morning. it's my first time calling when i was young we were coming and her front door in chicago from a dinner and likely that already left with my dad's guns and he didn't kill him and us when we were in the house. another thing is i live in a country now and most of the people around here, they either go hunt are used shotgun for dear. i just cleaned idea that someone gave me. as far as the assault weapons as well, we need to defend our country but nobody is coming at my doorstep in the last 25 years. i i live in a country by myself, and try to attack me. so i t don't know, i don't think assault weapons are a good thing. >> host: and antonio texas john, democrat, good morning. >> caller: hey, g

i've heard nothing from atf. now mind you this happened in may 8. the last time i have any direct interaction with the detective who was assigned but the madison police department was early june when they requested permission to come in and cheek swab us. so we could get elimination evidence. well now we're talking four months later and i've not heard anything that my dna has been eliminated from the possible suspects. no one has been apprehended. no person has been taken in for questioning. we have a 5000-dollar reward out there i sent an open records request with the madison police department. basically what they told me it's ongoing and if you want information you should pick up the phone and call us. we are the victim. i'm just now back in my office six months later pre-correction made reference to the fact you've not really heard from anybody and no arrests have been made. i'm just curious. i mention there's always 161 attacks on churches, crisis pregnancy center pro-life organizations. are you aware of any arrests that have been made in any of

prosecutors say huffacre and at least one other former officer posed as atf agents and illegally seized marijuana from drivers during stops and then falsified records in an attempt to cover it all up. huffacre maintains his innocence but declined to talk with us as he left federal court this week. it was last year when we first introduced you to zeke flatten, who said huffacre and one other man, who is yet to be identified, pulled him over in southern mendocino county, claiming to be federal agents. flatten says they seized three pounds of his marijuana and then sped off, all within just minutes. flatten, who happens to be a former texas police officer, says he knew immediately something wasn't right. >> it's been a long time, five years ago this month. i'm satisfied. i'm satisfied that they're being charged and held accountable. >> reporter: to catch up on all the latest charges and the complicated history of allegations, just log on to our website. there you can watch our original investigation as well as learn more about the alleged victims and the law enforcement officials they've a

according to your observation, that this is precisely such a tagamot process, and from the military fsb and atfil, from the pastless, the patroshe then only the patro that leaves what he has to carry. you know, i even saw some kind of system in this, which was the last time i saw a signal from it in the film, not in the spring, remember everything, that 's how the documentation was prepared, not even in the reiche, but in this film, something reached hitler there, bormann, or someone else brought these papers, so in general, the time necessary for decision-making has already passed. yes, this is similar to the truth, i somehow do not know the details he didn't stand in the office with a candle. this is what moon likes, and this is the basis for this information, he accepts inadequate decisions , he starts there, there are two sperts of february, and even rachnikov , that is the main one. it was polite, as it always was. yes, but you did not notice it in the 1990s. even in the 90s, it was as if the governor was sitting and that was all . the main tasks of officials are not to form the right club

and they have an fbi agent and a member of the atf. they have close to my office and kept me out of it while we are doing interviews all day. at 4:30, they came out with three cans of physical evidence, left, and said this is an act of ongoing aggressive investigation. i have heard from fbi once and it was that my calling them because someone was trying to say, we are trying to track down a phone number and it sounded suspicious or call the fbi. i have heard nothing from atf. mind, you this happened may 8. the last time i have had it any direct interaction with the detective assigned to this was early june when they requested to come in and cheek swab us so that we can get elimination evidence. now we are talking four months later and i haven't heard anything that my dna has been eliminated from the possible suspects. no one has been apprehended. no person has been taken in for questioning. we have a 5000 dollar reward out there. i have done an open records request with the madison police department. what they told me is, it is ongoing

to your people that this is exactly such a burdensome process, and from the military to the fsb, the atftion, the administration of the president of the security council, the answer to the safety of the security guard, then only the security guard that leaves what you have to carry you know, i even saw some kind of system in it, which the last time i saw the signal from it in the film was not spring, remember everything there. that’s how documentation was prepared, not even in the reich itself, but in this film, until hitler, something reached hitler there, bormann or someone i still brought these papers there, in general, the time necessary for decision-making has already passed, let's face the truth, how funny i am china there, there was no candle in the office, but this is a very bad frank, or even in poland, in fact, the american press also writes that in putin lives in an information bubble there is such an infection of social networks around him, that is, his uh, information, they give him only here a pharmacy that he is waiting for, that he likes, and this is the basis of this inf

movement here in was n b ah, washington has wrapped up it 1st, some it with african leaders in the atf. this by the event officially being focused on addressing issues affecting africa. washington insisted on bringing russia into the equation. it's very powerful because you hear countries that are, we're here in washington this week. gonna kenya. so many others that had been the victims of imperialism in the past. and who see that now happening to ukraine by russia? during the 3 day summit, the u. s. declared the importance of africa in solving global problems in a bit to compete with africa as other partners, china and russia. washington has already signed dale's worth. $15000000000.00 and for support for the african unions. bit for g 20 membership. the u. s. secretary of defense is also tried to accuse russia and china, the stabilizing activities in africa. beijing responded by urging washington to stop using africa as an arena for power games. however, not all african countries were allowed to attend the u. s. hosted summit to guinea sedan eritrea. molly unbecoming also didn't recei

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the fbi, homeland security, atf, all joining the investigation. and tonight, a curfew now in effect. authorities say driving is dangerous because there are no street lights. schools closed again tomorrow. and abc's mona kosar abdi leading us off tonight, she's in pinehurst, north carolina. >> reporter: with an army of bucket trucks racing to restore power, tonight, federal, state, and local authorities in moore county, north carolina, are hunting for suspects, after what they're calling an "intentional, willful, and malicious" attack on the power supply. >> early evidence suggests that it was deliberate and the investigation is underway. >> reporter: authorities say the suspect or suspects drove up to two power substations saturday night and opened fire, knocking out power to 45,000 customers. >> it's been a nightmare. >> reporter: moore county sheriff ronnie fields says whoever did this knew exactly what they were doing. >> what's been done here could cause the death of individuals, so -- and that's how serious it is. >> reporter: officials decla

baltimore's atf division joining maryland police in the investigation of five gun store robberies overine days last month. the thieves caught on camera during several of those crimes between november 19th and november 28th. investigators are now investigating to see if there's a connection between the five robberies. i would think so. and congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez, the comrade, calling out arizona senator kyrsten sinema after announcing she'd be leaving the democrat party. cortez said she lays out no vision, no commitment or healthcare. just vibes. for the senate, the people deserve more. just vibes. sinema broke off from the semis yesterday and is now independent and those are your headlines. what does cortez put off? not vibes? lisa: well, nothing. i'd rather just not see it or hear it but unfortunately. the kyrsten sinema story is interesting and look at democrats 2024 senate map, they're defending 23 of 34 seats i believe, seven in states that president trump won in 2016 and 2020. arizona's one of the states in 2016 so obviously potentially facing a tough reelect and t

the atf set to destroy firearms associated with the obama era "fast & furious" scandal for top republicansary and claims the guns were stored improperly. ohio congressman jim jordan swimming the move as improper saying the scandal is still a matter of public concern. the potential for ongoing civil actions. back in 2011 the obama administration conducted they'll sting operation with 2,000 firearms to be sold illegally to buy guns for those who cannot pass a background check to carry. the dimmick brian terry was killed by one of the illegal of distributed guns, carley. >> carley: president biden visiting border of arizona but he said not the border he has more important things to do. >> mr. president, why go to the border state and not visit the border? >> there are more important things going on. >> carley: meanwhile, record drug trafficking and drug smuggling operations taking place across arizona border sector. jesse watters said president biden's excuse just isn't cutting it. >> more important things. a photo up at a construction site is more important than meeting with border agents? m

shahan: this is something that i actually -- it is not too much detail in the book but atf under theasury department at that time was ready to raid the headquarters of the hanafi headquarters. they were ready to raid the headquarters a few months before the attack on washington. they had gone on a spree of a buying weapons and ammunition throughout the washington dc, maryland, virginia area. they were being tracked. but, the hanafis did not have a history of violence. khaalis had been in trouble with the law and try to rob a bank and been on that kind of edge of doing the illegal things but he had never been violent. the hanafis were recognized as a healthy community and nobody was necessarily scared of them. the justice department stopped that. stopped that rate from happening because the justice department at that time was trying to prosecute the herders of the hanafi family. the justice department and treasury discussed this case and the justice department went out and decided to call off the raid because they truly did not believe that khaalis or the hanafis were capable of doing

parents' home where he is free on $250 million bail, as he faces charges following the downfall of atfup to 115 years in prison if convicted. >>> an abandoned outlet mall in california's mojave desert could soon be the home of a new 29-acre cannabis super center. the former outlet mall has sat empty for almost two decades. the project would turn the ball into dozens of legal pot businesses. it was approved by the barstow city council last week with a final vote coming next month. >>> 6:17. trending this morning firefighters in indiana helped a goose in need. a canadian goose was frozen in the wet sand along lake michigan. several good samaritans tries to free the goose that was frozen but did not have any luck. firefighters were called in to safely remove the goose from the frozen beach. the bird is now at a wildlife rehabilitation center for treatment. can you imagine, couldn't move? >> poor guy. >> everybody prefers fresh goose over -- >> mike! >> he's at a rehabilitation. >> doing fine. >> he's been pardoned. >> as you get up this morning, you will notice rain, but there's more on t

. >> dom certainly didn't want to give kuklinski cyanide as an atf agent who's undercover. >> we hadke cyanide, that looked like cyanide, that was made up from the lab. >> dom, instead of cyanide, gave quinine. now, the reason to do that, quinine, if that's administered to somebody, you can then detect that, which would then show that it was given and that they attempted to murder somebody. so, it was really quite brilliant. >> 12-17-86. agent polifrone to meet richard kuklinski regarding the jewish kid murder. >> kuklinski and dominick met up on december 17th, 1986, at the vince lombardi rest area. >> dom gives kuklinski the egg sandwiches and what is allegedly a vial of cyanide. >> he brought tape with him and rubber gloves that he had, so he was ready for this. kuklinski then says, "listen, my wife wasn't feeling that good, but i'm gonna head home, but i'll be back." >> now, what happened was kuklinski didn't come back right away. surveillance indicated he was at his house, and the decision was made then by the upper echelon, "just take him down." >> and they did. >> he was extrem

instruments at 161, so i am taking more of a tactical approach for kris, i like that he has that diversified atfhe needs to stay committed to the long term and doesn't try and trade around it. >> let's move on dave in california bought donaher in november. shannon and surot. dave is up a little bit. how would you grade this trade >> i give this an "a" minus. i think there's a significant tailwind right now in terms of r respiratory testing, and we are in the midst of a challenging flu and covid and rsv season, and that will benefit them but this is a diagnostics company, and they are methodica and this company flies under a radar and it's in a space that we think from a health care perspective is a good name to hold into 2023 >> i like the company, too you just have to be careful about the comps that come through. again, because of the testing that we're having again with covid kind of here, and china, et cetera, and another company in there is fisher, and i do like the companies and be careful that they are not cheap companies so when the market comes back, these things could come back. >> than

. >> reporter: now the department of homeland security, fbi and atf joining local authorities in the hunt for who is behind this critical infrastructure attack. moore county sheriff ronnie fields tells abc news whoever did this may be liable for not only the damage to the substation but for any related accidents resulting from it. >> it could be classified as murder because what's been done here could cause the death of individuals. what was done, it was an intentional act, it was not a random act. >> reporter: prior to this attack law enforcement officials have warned about the vulnerabilities of the nation's power grid to domestic attacks. robin, as you mentioned, county schools have been closed for aother day and now duke energy officials are hoping to have all power restored by thursday. in the meantime, i spoke with a spokesperson for the regional hospital and she tells me that they are prepared to remain on generator power until then. michael? >> whatever it takes, mona, thank you so much for that. >>> now we turn to the latest on the war in ukraine. in a major development ukra

atf we had a lot of people that had their own personal snowmobiles and skid steers and other type ofeavy equipment that brought them in. the national guard has also been very instrumental in assisting. we are out in various parts of the city. we worked through the backlog of the check the welfare calls. we worked through the backlog of the initial calls where dead bodies were reported so we have made significant progress and working through all those pending calls. >> that's encouraging to hear that. the erie county executive as you know criticized the city of buffalo what he described as slow efforts to dig out calling it and i'm quoting him now embarrassing. is buffalo falling short commissioner in its recovery operations? >> i would have to say that you -- if you look at the work that has been done here, you look at this historic snowfall, this was an absolute blizzard. you had to be in the middle of it to see exactly what it was and then you have to take into account the geography that's around us, the very tight narrow streets and cared parked on the streets and abandoned and i

streets and if you are not locking people up for gun related crimes like falsifying information on atfke say hunter biden is accuse muching. do not punishing people for gun crimes before it becomes homicide. you can't say it's a gun problem before it becomes homicide. cities like new orleans have turned their backs on police officers and empowering their police this is what you get. this type of crime which ends in death. >> griff: you know, the big easy, new orleans great city, one of the greatest cities in the south, and i was struck when i covered hurricane katrina in the aftermath of how long it took that city to get under control from the local leadership the then mayor ray nagin ended up in jail e thought that's the wake june call. that would get the city, at least to pull back the curtain and led by solid leadership. they haven't. they haven't gotten the crime. the crime isn't new. it didn't arrive yesterday and david webb, how are familiar with on this channel our friend david webb talked about the decline of this great city. take a listen. >> in the late 1990s i was in new orl

. >> we're going to applaud you for all those efforts let me ask you about the white house and the atfrackdown on those things known ghost guns and "the new york times" reports that the biden administration is closing a major loophole and a new role intended to parts that can readily be turned into firearms. how significant is this and how effective will it be? >> it's a really important move for the biden administration. this happened in two steps. to address the threat to our public safety posed by ghost guns. theses are, as you said, untraceable firearms many of which are mailed to people across the country with virtually no regulation. so what the biden administration did at first, a little over a year ago, it said we need to treat those guns as firearms themselves. they have to be serial liezed. >> thank you for ironing that out for us. thank you so much for what you do on behalf of giffords. that does it for us this hour. stay with us. we have much more ahead for you including the arrest made in connection with the murders of four idaho college students. details, after the break.

well the atf is set to destroy those guns associated with the obama era fast and furious scandal.ry's family is okay with it, either. i mean, remember what they did here, too. sold guns to known straw purchasers, they had this crazy idea we are going to track guns and figure out the bad guys who are doing. this what wound up happening is bad guys got ahold of those guns and terry lost his life a brave border patrol agent. there is a criminal case going on as we speak in mexico related to this crazy fast and furious idea that the obama-biden administration undertook a few years ago. i think you can keep the evidence just to make sure the people who are accountable for this are held accountable. >> brian: jim jordan, thanks so much. appreciate it? >> you bet, thank you. >> brian: go over to carley shimkus for the other breaking news. >> carley: tennessee police stopping a robbery from a nashville shopping mall on saturday. one jewelry store clerk calling police after a masked robber ransacked the store stealing diamonds and escaping into a van. not before being spotted by an underco

. >> robert luke of the san diego county sheriff's bomb squad and atf agent matt beals were the lead investigators. they quickly learned that something about the day care may have made it a target. >> on that particular day care center, we were aware that there were other law enforcement officials who had their children in that particular home during the day. >> was it possible someone was out to kill cops and their kids? if so, connie, who always parked in front of the day care home, could have been the perfect yet unwitting delivery system for the bomb. >> they were looking for any known or suspected domestic terrorists or possible watchlist type people that may be in the area. >> no question that this was an ied, an improvised explosive device? >> no. >> and suddenly, they had more questions after they ran connie's address and discovered that, in her neighborhood, two weeks earlier, police had found another bomb. >> two bombs with one explosive connection. investigators discovered this attack was personal. coming up -- had connie or her family been targeted before? >> we were like

finds a firearm than fresh produce and these are not things that grow on trees and we've got to enable atf to do their job and go after these irresponsible negligent dealers. >> i see them and like to request unanimous consent to insert into the report and the report we're discussing uncovering the truth on pennsylvania crime guns and is that for unanimous consent? >> i'd like to submit for the report november 3, 2022 article from the new yorker titled the shoddy conclusions of the man with the gun right debate and research in the country and findings repeatedly debunked. >> without objection, so ordered. >> i yield back. >> please recognize the ranking member of the full committee? >> yield to the gentleman of kentucky. >> i thank the gentleman from ohio. >> gentleman from kentucky is recognized. >> thank you, ma'am, chairwoman. mr. lott, i was looking in your written t the part you didn't get to elaborate on in your opening statement and something remarkable is saidg here where t said there was no drop in the number of pastrami public shootings with assault weapons during the 1994 to 200

we have got to enable atf to do their job and go for the negligent dealers. >> thank you. adam chairman i would like to request unanimous consent to insert into the record the report just discussed on covering the truth -- uncovering the truth about pennsylvania crime guns? is that for unanimous consent? rep. jackson lee: without objection so ordered. >> i would like to summit for the record an article from the new yorker entitled the shoddy conclusions of the man shaping the gun rights debate. john lott is a most influential pro-gun researcher but his findings have been debunked. rep. jackson lee: that objections ordered. >> i go back. i yield back. rep. jackson lee: recognize and now the ranking member of the full committee mr. jordan. rep. jordan: i yield my time to the gentleman from kentucky. >> i thank the gentleman from ohio. rep. jackson lee: the gentleman from kentucky is recognized. >> thank you. mr. lots, i looked at your written testimony that you did not get to elaborate on in your opening statement and there was something remarkable a sentence that says there

that's even uglier over atf ou the home of our favoriter globalist fat cats on wallglob street. tsjust today, goldman sachs yese announced massive payroll cuts as well, urdsp of four, 4000 people. reuters is reporting that thes s layoffs are a sign that cuts are accelerating acrosss wall street as dealmaking is drying up and investment banking revenues have plummeted. ff in th bankinnow, let us never forget it's wall street's money that put joe biden in office. o eastit's media companies on the east and west coast that to this day protect biden and his administration from scrutiny. >> from sc all through this yea, acti they actively helped the biden team lie to thame voters about the true state of our economyr and what all biden spending and a tax on oil and gas would do to inflation. >> so these false prophets promised they promised that inflation would be mild, even ee with the smartest democrat economists warned otherwise. they promised that job marketssg were strong even as real wages were falling. >> they promised thae teconom the economy was doing great, even as americans

it is really really hard to enforce the existing laws because of the handcuffs congress put on the atfnd law enforcement back in the heyday of the nra, the 1990s in the 2,000s. >> you learn that stuff, that's an element i have not been aware of. streamline these things. >> time for those of you in the audience to ask your questions so please line up between one or 2 of these microphones. i know you are not very shy. while we wait for people to line up, look at them all. public-service. >> hello. folks, we have a challenge going on right now. there is, for anybody parked outside on 21st st. there is a water main break and the city is going to tow cars so if you are parked out there you might want to get your car moved. sorry. >> thank you. i thought i was going to squeeze in one of my questions but why don't we start over here. >> this is more so in particular for senator murphy. >> your name and what year you are. >> i'm a freshman. i'm studying political science. you mentioned certain firearms are not relevant for self protection or recreational activities like hunting which will may

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we're also aware when we need to bring in the idaho state police and the fbi or atf. >> reporter: nowtiagency effort under way. investigators analyzing a mountain of evidence, but divulging no clear leads in nearly three weeks. >> there is no secrets in a small town. how is this a secret? >> that's why we're continuing to push through until we can ucover that secret and when we do, it'll be one of those days that a lot of relief will come to our community. >> reporter: patience, a hard thing to ask for of families desperate for answers. >> the community and the family members really want some assurances from you. >> what i can offer is that we are going to work continuously and we're going to provide as many answers as we can. >> reporter: now when i asked the chief about this case being in its third week, he called that surreal. but, whit, he did go on to say they will not allow this case to go cold. >> but in the meantime, as you pointed out, still so much fear and concern in that community. all right, kayna, thank you. >>> now to the aftermath from the deadly tornado outbreak that

. >> okay, so i think atf i understand you you're saying yes, she can refuse. because there's ideology just in the fact that it's mike and harry and there's a picture of these two guys together that is spee, you are announcing a wedding. and if you believe the wedding to be fae,hen the government would be compelling you to say something that you otherwise wouldn't say which makes the -- makes it content-based. >> so it's real nhing about the content of this speech. i me, could be mike and pat and you don't actually even owhether pat is a woman or a man. there's really nothing about the content of this spee. i right? in your case, you have like, scripture examples and so that might, youno be different maybe, but you are being forthrig a saying it's really not about that. it's nothg out the content of the speech. it's just that the content is being uh whatever the graphics and typefaces and you know, uh you know, which hotels are uh you know,avbeen reserved for the wedding. it's being used in a same-sex marriage. >> no, it's not about the use it. what is it's abo

>>mainstream standing here is atf that was the only basis, then that very quickly start to look like just a pureproxy for. race it would obviously depend on the program as it was implemented. >> could y give a plus two applicants whose parents were immigrants to this country? >> is that race neutral? >> think if it is immigrants, regardless of country, and regardless of the racial descendants, i think that is probably er. >> counsel, what did the evidence show in terms of race neutral alternatives from your perspective? would numbers plummet? >> following the analysis that she's near the case, we saw a number of umstances, some of which assumed and illicit proces tre was no longer putting up a fo scale for students and particular races, and swed that you can get to the current academic potentials of u.c. average s.a.t., and gpa wi 15 points, you can get very similar in less than 1% difference in t iividual racial breakdowns t extent that those are rele and so equal or greater than overall underrnted minority representation of course, socioeconomic unrest -- would increase significant

for all of the reasons of federalism and state sovereignty and comparative constitutional competence, atf course it needs to be applied very deferentially. there e't going to be very many cases that, i would think that would satisfy it. there will be some, perhaps, but there won't be very many. anyway, that's the way i think it would -- that's the way i think it would go. chief justice roberts: justice gorsuch? justice kavanaug justice barrett? justice barrett: just quickly, mr. verril you got some questions about the remedy. and, you know, the justice was asking about special masters drawinthmap, and, you know, here we had experts come in. 've been talking primarily about the liability question. u did get some questions about remedy. i just wanted to give you a chance to say sothg about our jurisdiction, whether we have jurisdiction to review -- mr. verrilli: you know, we -- justice barrett: -- the portion -- m vrilli: -- we don't think there's a final judgme here yet. the question of the proper remedy is before the three-judge court on remand. and the argument being -- that's at play th

. >> when a i was thinking atf to see if they can help us bring that down. also, i want to thank i guess for the drop in crime this week compared to last week. violent crime dropping at 19 percent. total violent crime, 19 percent, and total property crime dropping 30 percent, but overall year to date we are still up there. hopefully we can continue the trend just like the 49ers. thank you very much. >> thank you commissioner. >> commissioner benedicto. >> thank you vice president carter oberstone. thank you chief for the update on the mou. it sounds we are hoping it will be ready for commission reconsideration sometime in january since your next meeting will occur while in recess in december? >> yes. >> hope to bring back in january. i want to follow up on the surveillance and live monitoring. i know last time we discussed in november. the department was still finalizing internal procedures and forum that it send to the commission. is that still the case? >> that is the case. we have forms. there is one-a couple miner changes to the forms, but we are try ing

. >> when a i was thinking atf to see if they can help us bring that down. also, i want to thank i guess for the drop in crime this week compared to last week. violent crime dropping at 19 percent. total violent crime, 19 percent, and total property crime dropping 30 percent, but overall year to date we are still up there. hopefully we can continue the trend just like the 49ers. thank you very much. >> thank you commissioner. >> commissioner benedicto. >> thank you vice president carter oberstone. thank you chief for the update on the mou. it sounds we are hoping it will be ready for commission reconsideration sometime in january since your next meeting will occur while in recess in december? >> yes. >> hope to bring back in january. i want to follow up on the surveillance and live monitoring. i know last time we discussed in november. the department was still finalizing internal procedures and forum that it send to the commission. is that still the case? >> that is the case. we have forms. there is one-a couple miner changes to the forms, but we are try ing