the atomic energy commission actually has a system of secrets that run parallel to the president secrets of the national security system. that is not the way the constitution was written but what the atomic energy act of 1946 allowed. when the charter was written, right after world war ii, they created a system of secret keeping this the s secret slang is called born classified. those who check into this say in a long list them to have one answerable authority. fact is the case and by the atomic energy commission could do so many things. those bond test sending bugs at 90,000 feet. that thermonuclear test involves 12,000 people in the pacific ocean and nobody knew it was going on when it happened. secret keeping is an important part for some reasons but also not a good situation for others. this source tells me the story in the end that tells me, i asked him, president clinton looked into the atomic energy commission, how come he did not find out -- find out about the rogue program that involve roswell? he said he almost found out the he did not have the need to know. >> host: one questi

now, the atomic energy commission isn't the only organization out there.ntagon, the department of defense, the c.i.a. >> jon: the illuminati, the masons. but the famous story of the aliens that land in roswell and get take on the area 51, the story you come up with in the book based on an eyewitness that you trust implicitly is far crazier almost than aliens. tell us that story. >> it is. well, i'll preface it by saying this, i got a message from a conspiracy theorist group in the u.k., and that were very upset with me and said, even we don't believe you. >> jon: we don't believe you and we're nuts. [laughter] >> right, right. >> jon: you believe that stalin sent a spacecraft to us in the '50s because they didn't have a nuclear bomb yet. they thought they could do an orson wells-type scare. who was on the spacecraft? >> well, there were some child-sized aviators. that's what is most disturbing about my book. i hope you start at page one. >> jon: you really should because you don't want to start with the disturbing parts, like someone i know did. >> but it

the united states again with nuclear power and momentum developed in the government at the atomic energy commission the savings in france by the way and they went ahead with nuclear power and now it's like turning a giant ship around it's just very difficult but what we have what is so what do you do in that situation i mean do you do you turn extreme do you start lobbing molotov cocktails at corporations and locking yourself up in front of power plants . yes the latter you do not have a top down. no not knowledge not calculus but you do a lot you can lock yourself in the twenty first century we have come to understand that nonviolence is the way to go gandhi taught us and martin luther king eugene b. debs in united states nonviolence is the map that of making social change we understand that we also understand now in the environmental movement that would be good for the environment even though it may cost some corporations some money and that in the short term is always some way good for the economy everything that we're arguing for in renewable energy is good for the economy and the same is true