which we actually, as a country, united states, supported for several decades, these guys have some atonmy and they were able to make an argument to that the departure of the head of state is going to be meaningful. in syria, the departure of the head of state without the departure of the mechanisms is not meaningful. >> host: well, saying that, how do you see the uprising in syria playing out over x number of months and x number of years? >> guest: well, i'm hoping it's not x number of years because the death toll has surpassed 20,000-25,000, some say 40,000. you know, we cannot be sure. in either case, it's such a human tragedy taking place in syria where every time i want to address the situation, i'm -- i'm really not able to think about strategy and things of the sort because it's no longer about, you know, an uprising that's democratic against the regime. sure, the regime has been, but the uprising has become deluded, infiltrated, and is actually engaged in practices that the regime used to engage in, and that's why one of the reasons there is a stalemate today because the -- the opp