we spent time talking about the attachmentless to the appellate's property and we i think we they include nails or other joining materials that cross the property line and into the appellate's property. >> yes. assuming the wall is on the property line. may be we need to surveyor to verify that. >> assuming that all right. the wall is on the property line then there is material that is part of the stair well this goes in their property? and if we were to remove that attachment we would remove from their property a part of the stairs or something related it. and the code says that no building structure erected, constructed altered, repaired, removed, improved. removed, pulling something out part of a structure that is you know regulated by the code unless a separate permit. we are removing something. >> yea i think they here whether you call the fasteners a part of the stairs or just hardware. you think they are i think they are not. >> thank you. >> commissioners this matter is submitted. permit holder. permit holder. mr. chin. >> yes. i want to bring up the reason for the urgency of the