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joy producer, the co-director of "attica" tracy curry.ilm is amazing number one. kudos to you both. something that i found interesting, tracy, because a lot of people do know the story of attica, but so few people know why the prisoners or incarcerated people rebels. tell me some of the reasons and the treatment that these incarcerated people endured. >> yeah, tiffany, so during the rebellion, the prisoners with the help of the outside observers who came in articulated a list of 30 demands and really what they were looking for was basic human rights. there were -- in the prison where they weren't allowed regular showers. there was a roll of toilet paper a month. there were labor demands. this was a prison where if you were an able bodied person you had to work and the men were paid pennies for that job, for those jobs, and so they were demanding a minimum wage. there was abuse by some of the prisoners by some of the guards of the prison. they wanted to see justice done. they wanted to see prosecution for those prisoners, so they really re

a little bit about attica. >> that predated me. there was litigation, and advocacy -- obviously -- we have not talked about this yet. there is the role of the attorney general ostensibly and -- defensively, and you have to defend the state when there are lawsuits and many of them are not popular lawsuits. prisoners file lawsuits about the quality of their health care, nutrition, religious opportunities, all kinds of issues, and most people do not realize that 2/3 of the lawyers in the attorney general's office are assigned to these defensive cases. >> was there ever a case you refused? >> not refused. >> a conflict? >> i dance. under dan's law -- dance law i do not walk too well. gay-rights, we played an important role in making the courts understand there were some legitimate privacy and constitutional issues. >> do you see room for change with respect to the office of attorney general? any areas of reform? >> there is always an opportunity for change. when i became attorney general on the defensive side, for example, the customer

. >> on attica. it is brilliant. the way she ends the book is the response by the ruling white oligarchy because of attic shgs a -- attica. it is fascinating to read the internal documents of the nixon white house. they believe it is the beginning of a malice revolution. she argues the demonizing of especially black men, but also the foundation of this draconian carcel state as a response. one of the characters in the book based on a real figure, who i interviewed for about six hours because i wanted exactly what you said this old consciousness from the 60s and early 70s by black radicals so he was a member of the black liberation army, he is kind of the old head in the prison play. when he gets to prison, we forget, solitary confinement was created in early 70s for black radicals. so when he gets to prison, he's never committed a -- [inaudible]. within the prison, he's immediately put in solitary confinement for 22 years. they don't want him preaching revolution. they don't want him raising consciousness. i intervie

. >> on attica. it is brilliant. the way she ends the book is the response by the ruling white oligarchy because of attic shgs a -- attica. it is fascinating to read the internal documents of the nixon white house. they believe it is the beginning of a malice revolution. she argues the demonizing of especially black men, but also the foundation of this draconian carcel state as a response. one of the characters in the book based on a real figure, who i interviewed for about six hours because i wanted exactly what you said this old consciousness from the 60s and early 70s by black radicals so he was a member of the black liberation army, he is kind of the old head in the prison play. when he gets to prison, we forget, solitary confinement was created in early 70s for black radicals. so when he gets to prison, he's never committed a -- [inaudible]. within the prison, he's immediately put in solitary confinement for 22 years. they don't want him preaching revolution. they don't want him raising consciousness. i intervie

. >> yes absolutely, most of the subjects are publications existed in places like attica libraries, public outweigh, i can get this straight, the new york academy of medicine library here in manhattan rated and with all of these things, if you go to get a couple of issues at a time and some of them are in the national archives because there in thehe postal records for example the word, the prepress publication and you can read the issues in theco postal records. in the national archives in washington dc. we are talking about women's history, yes, i have often said that you have to be a total masochist to write women's history because it's this research in the world, should add research about underrepresented youth of any kind is incredibly difficult pretty people tend to be when they are involved and you and i and the narratives and authors, always kind of get these materials and i look at these women in terms of shading in the personal details of their life and not every case was able to get the diaries c in the letters and so in some cases i had to rely on court transcripts as you said,

that's why when people like attica come to you with an idea about how do we get our kids in the fireent, i'm going to start the program i'm like let's do it. let's get it done. and all those kids are coming from a lot of the low income neighborhoods who are training and went through this program and we paid them. we paid a stipend to get the focus and the goal is to get them higher by the fire department in san francisco so i think part of mydesire is to just not see people left behind. and yes, there are people with challenges . there's a lot of substance abuse disorder and mental health issues, other things we have to deal with but we can't let those who really also need just a helping hand where they can also live independentlyand make their own decisions if we provide that levelof support . we'redoing it with artists . i just run an arts organization . and i know artists, they lost their job. they weren't performing and just imagine and i know some of the artists in the city. they get paid by cash but it's not as if they have reliable money coming in. it's not like, it's like the