this all attorneytive, ie, you condition access to health care on buying health insurance is enforced in precisely the same way that the act does. you either buy health insurance or you pay a penalty of $695. you don't have doctors throwing people out on the street, and the -- >> do you say the penalty is okay but not the mandate? i'm sorry, maybe i misheard you. >> no, no, no. they -- they create this straw man that says, look, the only alternative to doing it the way we've done it if we condition access to health care on buying insurance, the only way you can enforce it is making sick people not get care. i'm saying no, no. there's a perfectly legitimate way they could enforce their alternative, ie, requiring you to buy health insurance when you access health care which is the same penalty structure that's in the act. there is no moral dilemma between having people have insurance and denying them emergency service. congress has made a perfectly legitimate value judgment that they want to make sure that people get emergency care. since the founding, whenever congress has imposed that