. >> and you're there, auburn/alabama. >> no return by chris davis. davis goes left. nning block. no flags. touchdown! auburn! >> tell me about that. >> i think this is generational thing. i've been so privileged to be present at significant events. i've always said that jack nicklaus and the victory in 1986 was my favorite because it was jack and the greatest sporting event i ever thought. >> and he was 46? >> it was important to me. i always thought that i had of the tiger woods chip. >> the other initially thing about sports is what it means to a society. while it is a game, look at the olympics and putin and how he thought it was central to the coming back of russia as he saw it. look at what it means to a community. sports has an undefinable sense of capturing what brings a community together. look what happens to new york city. >> look what happened to the city of dallas and the dallas cowboys. because for years, dallas was the sea of shape because president kennedy was assassinated. the climate was ugly. i believe to your point that the rise of the cowboys in th

. >> charlie: but you were there, one of the great games i ever saw, auburn-alabama. >> yeah. (cheering) >> no! return by chris davis! davis goes left! davis gets a block! davis has another block! chris davis! (cheers and applause) touchdown! auburn! an answered prayer! >> charlie: tell me about that. that's number one in your -- >> well, i think this is a generational thing. >> charlie: yeah. i have been so privileged to be present at significant events, and i've always said jack nicklaus and the victory in $86 was my favorite just because it was jack, the greatest sporting event i ever saw, right. >> charlie: and he was 46. and that was a certain age at that time that was as important to me as 73 is now. >> charlie: yes. and i've always thought -- i had the tiger woods chip and the christian laettner shot in kentucky. >> charlie: the interesting thing about sports is what it means to society. just the game, to putin, it was the coming back of russia as he saw it. sports has an undefinable sense of capturing what brings a community together. look what happened to new york city

alabama.urn, what are these younger noncitizens doing in auburn, alabama? most of them are college towns, so a lot of them are internationalist students. a lot could be researchers or teaching classes at the universities, young professors. that goes to the point that the earlier caller made. is a very mixed population. one tends to draw on the unauthorized element of this. but this is made up of lots of different categories of people. rv sayse categories that have to do with either important, are particularly in math and science and innovation areas, as well as foreign students, international students who are studying here. phenomenon is a clear indication of that part of this population. host: ken, kentucky. caller: i have a question and a comment. i was in the military for 28 years. one of the things we worried about was stretching ourselves too thin based on our finite resources. i am talking about health care services, schools, and everything like that. my question is -- and that is what i worry about with the immigration, we need controlled immigration

now extrapolate this to alabama, auburn, notre dame and you're talking about expau nen shlly more moneyrs in hands of teenagers. >> again, this has come together in just the last couple of minutes. a ruling, one agent there of -- >> yes, one regional director who sits in chicago. the appeal from him goes to the full five-member board in d.c. two members of which might not be able to vote. we thought it was going to come down today. >> trace gallagher with more on the complications of this. trace, it is a big machine. >> it is. we're talking about 130 d1 teams. there's also division ii teams. the president of northwestern just came out and said if this thing does go through and they are union members, he would strongly consider dropping division i football from northwestern. imagine that. dropping division i football because now, you're football players are now employees of the university. it's not the biggest. you've got as a judge mentioned, notre dame, which brings in a billion dollars a year, on and on and on and if this is successful, it begins that domino effect of other schools do

. >> i'm more worried about, are you going to have auburn against alabama and have it matter if they'rego to school, if they're not students. >> let's try to put it in perspective. we're talking about only those who get full ride scholarships. only football, and it was college athletes players association. on behalf of this football team, of which 115 players, of which only 31 are considered under this determination. so what's the big deal? >> who tried to unionize them? who is behind this? >> i don't know. >> united steel workers. >> good for them. >> you have an excellent point in terms of how you see it from the outside might be right on the money. >> i think there's a distinction between college football and professional football for a reason. and if that reason no longer exists, if you're going to play the players, why don't they have like they have in baseball, a minor league? if they don't want to go to school and get the benefit of room and board and education and tuition and all that, they could try to make it in the minor league. if they're good enough, they'll go to the pros.

south so the student population at tuskegee was the same size as the student university at auburn university and alabama and tuscaloosa. was one of the best funded black institutions and washington was bolstered by the fact he hired the largest number of black college graduates in the country. washington founded the national negro business lead which put him in touch with black business people throughout the country. he founded the black conference and had his hands on a lot of things at that time. he also had influence with presidents at that point so president theodore roosevelt, william howard taft, they would go to booker t. washington for his recommendation whether individuals black and white should receive appointments so there are instances where roosevelt was going to washington to make sure a white person was okay and palatable to him before they receive an appointment as a judge or postmaster or what have you. he had tremendous political influence as well. he also had influence with journalists. we knows that even went so far as to finance some black newspapers so he could control the message

will this leave a state like alabama where the crimson tide, auburn tiger where the crimson are king,layers not available? part of this ruling, i just want to clarify this, this is for private schools. >> yes. >> does it necessarily impact players at state universities but also the at state universities where we see some of the greatest inequality where we see some of the highest paid state worker being the football coach or basketball coach? >> actually, in 39 of 50 states, the highest paid employee is the football coach or basketball coach. it's about stanford, notre dame, northwestern. the ruling states that at public colleges the players have to go according to whatever those state's labor laws are, so that's another crack at the ncaa cartel. there's this great line from the movie "miller's crossing" you only run this town because the people think you run it. the minute people stop thinking that the ncaa has absolute control over the situation, that's the minute you start seeing people start to say, okay, i'm going to go to a pub anything school. maybe i'll go to california where

strain vfulpot, fillpot being the president of auburn university and the decision basically dismembered all of the prejudicial structure that alabama extension service had and said you will hire a black person for this and this. made very explicit what had to be done. so the strain case is very important. how many of you ever heard of willy strain before? i hadn't either until i started this project. and the archivist at burn university did you know willy strain is still alive and living in tuskegee, so i interviewed him. the fha denied black farmers loans and they needed it to start the crop year. many were forced out of farming. these county fha people had total power on who got loans. there was no appeal, no matter what -- even the committee said. it was the administrators and their are many stories in the book about administrators that were horrible, prejudicial and so forking. some of the story is seen through the eyes of william see brand, an african-american at mr.or in the department of agriculture and he was an isolated black man in a very prejudiced bureaucracy, and his attempts to do things were thwarted. memos were inte