but audie murphy could actually assault a machine gun nest and take 50 or 60 prisoners. john wayne could potential assault the beach at iwo jima and be a hero. there are no opportunities in these wars for that sort of traditional concept of heroes. you know, we tried to make jessica lynch who endured tremendous pain and discomfort as a prisoner, or pat tillman, remarkably courageous young american, and we try to make traditional heroes out of them, and it doesn't work the if you look at the medals of honor in the current wars, i think only a couple of them have gone to people who survive. most of wanted people for, not for assaulting an enemy force, but primarily for saving someone's life, for jumping on a hand grenade to save others. just remarkably heroic and courageous actions. it's just overwhelming. but we don't know how to handle these wars. we don't know how to define heroes of these wars. but everyone who steps out of a gate is a hero over there as far as i'm concerned. >> last question. in past conflicts, the civilian leadership has had military leadership. toda

people, there was a fellow died a few years ago, andrew bird in the ground and he was just like audi murphy, he was in a battle, killed a large number of germans by himself, he ended up getting the silver star. i asked him, what were you thinking, he says i was thinking that i sure didn't want to die here because i want to be buried on my reservation so i fought like hell to keep that from happening. so when he came back to the reservation they had warrior return ceremonies and they still do it and you're supposed to tell your war deeds that you accomplished. so when the old people heard them they said we're going to give you your new name which is kills many germans so he had that name. people thought he was blessed because of not getting hurt in this terrible battle and terrible fight so a few years later one of the crow boys was born into billings hospital and the doctor said the boy was not going to live. so his parents went to andrew bird in the ground and said you obviously are blessed by the one above, would you mind going to the hospital and praying for our child's welfare. so andre