if you want to be, you know, an engineer, if you want to go into audiologying, you've got to do -- audiology, you've got to do this. if you want to become a, an informed citizen and a discertaining consumer concern discerning consumer with good tate, you've good to do these things. you've got to absorb these things. that argument doesn't go very far. >> i'd like to say one thing on the side of hope, if i may. somebody has to do it. [laughter] let us assume that college cannot solve every problem that has accumulated until then. okay. that doesn't mean that it can solve nothing, and it doesn't mean that changes in what colleges do won't help, you know? a nontrivial number of people where that means, what, thousands of people, maybe a million people over the course of years, and it's not always immediate. one of the first classes i ever taught an older student. what he's his story? well, i was a cop, and i got shot in the chest. and as i was recovering in the hospital, i thought i want to do something else with my life. so he wanted to come back to college to be a high school teacher, and he w