a then are all auentic. i'm not saying he's fake, and sort of judge. >> rose: which one is appropriate for this moment. >> or just did that one screw up. that st of thing but do think and again this is just armchair psychology. that it makes it harder for him to totally commit, just than somebody who might have less self-observation. >> rose: ronald reagan or george. >> or george w, yeah, total commit, that's it i'm all in. i think it harder for him to do that. >> rose: because he is aware of all -- >> he is sing the different angles, eing th diffent selves. but when he told me about the marshmallow experiment which about the ability to control impulses before age 4, we were talking about education and he was talking about testing. and i was asking him, you know, the really important uff happens ver early in life. and you are spending souch time reforming the k through 12 education. frankly, a lot of the stuff 0 throug3 is getting a little short schrift because the big guns politically are with k through 12