so two pillars in aukus, so think of technology pillars. first pillar we refer to as a submarine herself. so pillar what is thehe submarie herself. pillar two is an acceleration and feeling to facilitate greater collaboration and sharing of technologies that support and surround submarines. so think everything from cyber electronic warfare, sensing, unmanned systems capability. that would be pillar two. two. what we've done on our team is to create a third pillar called pillar one alpha. this is the pillar that really covers the ancillary things you need to have now that you have a nuclear powered submarine living in your country, owned and operated by our country and sustained by our country rather than just visiting it occasionally. so things like substantial infrastructure upgrades with respect to the size of the submarines, and easy way to think about it. then there's a phased approach of the pathway so this phased approach of the optimal pathway that was laid out. the ultimate goal for aukus is to develop software of children capabilit

at the end of the day aukus is actually about submarine availability. aukus is designed to increase the number of ships at sea. >> have a question primarily towards working with australian contractors you laid out a good concern for the infrastructure in australia, given a more protectionist method measured within the current administration is there any concern that within the office of framework shifting to more u.s. æ >> i would start in the same place that greg did. america has stepped onto a battlefield since i think the war of 1,812 when australia was not there beside us so to say that we have national interest and aligned is probably a significant understatement. the alliance increasing the number of submarines has available at sea to do with this combat and commanders wanted to do is good for everyone. the united kingdom united states the commonwealth of australia. as you focus with that in mind where that submarine to see the crew that's running the submarine becomes less important than the submarine being at sea doing its job on behalf of the

the aukus partnership with australia, us and the uk is a significant development.hips have expanded. so i think he can he can properly take credit for that. i think the most difficult issue for, for president biden is the war in ukraine. he was pretty straightforward about it. he said putin has not achieved his goals in ukraine. and in a vivid moment in the speech, i thought he said, i'm the only one who stood in the center of kyiv. putin never, never got there. he wanted to, but he never did. i went there as president of the united states. so in that sense, he was saying that that putin had failed in his in his war objectives. unfortunately, this war is unresolved. and biden will leave office with this problem on on president elect trump's plate. >> yeah, he is the only president, as he said, to have gone into a war zone that was not controlled by u.s. troops. but that war rages on and the death toll continues to climb. david, ignatius, it's always great to have you on the program. thank you. we've run out of time. that's going to do it for us this hour. our it fo

we brokered a defense pact known as aukus among the united d states, australia and the united kingdomtlantic pacific allies as only america is able to do. i have taken the quad to the next level. united states, japan, austria, australia and india and when we had the first meeting i was dumbfounded when they all called and said can we do this at your house? you think i'm kidding. i like said no problem. back it was during the u.n. beating them without we're going to do it in new york. and wanted to do it in delaware. i said said we can let people know we are really friends. our democracy, vibrant economies working closely, security, supply chain, technology and so much more. in the red sea we brought together more than 20 countries to perfect, to protect civilian ships attacked by the houthis. defending freedom of navigation, one of the world's busiest waterways, and with strength partnerships all across the americas defending democracy, targeting corruption, addressing migration, increasing prosperity and protecting amazon rain forest which captures aliens of times, billions of tons o

but i know we have allies in south korea and japan and in aukus with australia trying to work on submarinesem. >> mr.. hegseth none of those countries are allies across. none of those three countries that you mentioned are in asean. i suggest you do a little homework before you prepare for these types of negotiations. >> terry, shouldn't it matter that a nominee that is about to head the most powerful military in the world doesn't know this? >> well, when you say this, i'm not familiar with asean either. and so but you're not heading the department of defense? no, thank god, but but no, it is a, um, uh, look, i don't it's a game of gotcha. and both sides of the political aisle play it. and this, this time. look, you can there's lots of stuff to argue about pete hegseth about, but knowing whether asean is what countries are part of it, um, i don't think, you know, most people know and i know that most people are not appointed for this position, but i don't think this is a, a, a huge deal. it was a political gotcha moment by by senator duckworth. >> chuck, did other democrats who went after h

i really do think if you keep in the back of your mind that your job, in aukus, our job in aukus is to facilitate the develop in of sovereign australian capability. it is not to move a bunch of americans there, not to make all of their products here and ship them down there for assembly. it is to create a sovereign capability that does not exist today. if you keep that in mind and have that as your first principle, it facilitates focusing in the right way and on the right thing. a couple more minutes here for questions. we have worn you out. all right. if you have any other questions, especially late at night, if you would please call greg. he will be our team scribe. but thank you for listening. we appreciate it. we will be around if you have other questions. i will tell you, we are leaning on partners and friends and developer relationships here as we look to work in that market in a new and different way. there are several companies that we are teaming with, facilitating them entering a new market while we as a company work to enter a new market. very much appreciate the collaborati

we might see more aukus, a bringing in the australians into this relationship as well, because i think which is where i think the european union might fall foul. sir liam fox. our climate correspondent navin singh khadka told us what might happen if president trump's "energy emergency" extended beyond the us. the key question now being asked is will this remain just within the us or will it spiral elsewhere as well? that is the real concern, because the us has done it before. and, mind you, even during joe biden's administration, the oil production was going up despite all these acts — we saw green acts and all that. but then the thing is, you know, as a prelude to this, we saw major us banks making exodus from a major alliance, it's called the net zero banking alliance. and now we're hearing we're seeing reports now, european banks are reconsidering their membership within that alliance. what does that mean? that is the question being asked now. and then elsewhere, for example, countries like south east asian countries, we are seeing reports again that they will also buy fossil fuels

whether that is gaining access to bases in the philippines, improving relations with them between, aukusressive behavior whether with regard to taiwan, the philippines, acting into the grid has continued, so does that mean u.s. policy has failed to change chinese behavior? >> i do not think so in some respects. you mentioned the south china sea. the chinese have attempted to intimidate the filipinos. the united states stood up to china. we have a 1951 defense treaty with the philippines and we told the chinese again if you use military force, you will draw us into that, and i think we deterred them. we have also built up the military capacity of taiwan through arms transfers, and as you said japan and the philippines, much more focused on that problem as well. you have now seen european countries begin to act strategically in opposition to what china is trying to do, because china has been the major ally of russia in the ukraine war. have we resolved every problem with china? no. i spent three years trying to do that, but the suggestion to colette essays will be overtaken and overpowered

. >> no, you couldn't, because i know we have allies in south korea and japan and in aukus with australiarying to work on submarines with them. >> mr. none of those countries are in asean. none of those three countries that you mentioned are in asean. i suggest you do a little homework before you prepare for these types of negotiations. >> joining us now, allison jaslow, an iraq veteran army captain who was the ceo of iraq and afghanistan veterans of america. it's good to see you again. how do you think pete hegseth did? >> i mean, he clearly made it through the hearing itself. i think it was an unfortunately, a very short hearing. i don't know that enough questions were asked and specifically questions about his efforts to actively lobby to get convicted war criminals pardoned. and these are men who weren't indiscriminately targeted by washington politicians. these are men who had men serving alongside of them, who's experienced the same horrors of war as him, who felt he crossed lines we should not cross. they risked their reputations in some cases, but also had the courage to speak up

. >> we have allies in south korea and in japan and aukus with australia trying to work on submarines with them. >> mr. hegseth, none of those countries are in asean. >> none of the countries are in asean and i suggest you do homework before you try for these negotiations. mr. hegseth, this is -- we ask our troops to go into harm's way all the time. we ask them to go in harm's way. and this -- behind me is a copy of the soldier's creed, a copy that usually hangs over my desk in the senate, and you should be familiar. it's the same copy that hung over walter reed every single day i woke up and fought my way back and i wanted to go back and serve next to my buddies who saved my life, and the words are repeated over and over and over and over again. i read out two things to you. two sentences. i will always place the mission first. and i am disciplined physically and mentally tough, trained and proficient in my warrior task. mr. hegseth, our troops follow these words every day, and they man up and pack their rucksacks and they go to war and they deserve a leader who can lead them. not a

tell you the exact amount of nations, because i know we have allies in south korea and japan and in aukus with australia trying to work on submarines with them. >> mr. hague said none of those countries are allies across. none of those three countries that you mentioned are in asean. i suggest you do a little homework before you prepare for these types of negotiations. >> now, what did this guy do to deserve such an important job? i mean, really one of the most important jobs in the world. he did serve in the national guard. he deployed to iraq and afghanistan like literally hundreds of thousands of americans. he also ran a dark money republican group called vets for freedom and ran up such massive debts, the group's board had to save vets for freedom by merging it with another nonprofit and stripping hegseth of his responsibilities. he then went on to run another koch brothers backed right wing group, concerned vets for america, but a few years later he was forced to step aside amid multiple allegations of open drunkenness, sexist behavior and financial mismanagement. now, i just want to

couldn't tell you the exact amount of nations, but i know we have allies in south korea and japan and in aukusith australia trying to work on submarines with them. >> mr.. hegseth, none of those countries are allies, and none of those three countries that you mentioned are in asean. i suggest you do a little homework before you prepare for these types of negotiations. >> so should a moment like that matter? it doesn't seem like it's going to. i mean, joni ernst came out after this hearing and said she's going to vote for him. >> yeah. i mean, the exchanged that exchange. you saw the exchange between senator tim kaine and hegseth over the sexual assault allegations, uh, that he was involved in. he he was there was some a woman filed a sexual assault, uh, charge against him back in 2017. he reached a settlement with her in 2020. i mean, you would have thought that would be disqualifying. but like you said, you know, joni ernst a victim of sexual assault herself and a former military member came out for, for for hegseth afterward. i don't think there's i feels right now like that nomination is go

couldn't tell you the exact amount of nations, but i know we have allies in south korea and japan and in aukustrying to work on submarines with them. >> mr. none of those countries are in allies across none of those three countries that you mentioned are in asean. i suggest you do a little homework. >> commanders meet quotas to have a certain number of female infantry officers or infantry enlisted, and that disparages those women. >> commanders are not capable of quotas for the infantry. >> commanders do not have to have a quota for women in the infantry. >> it is true, and has been acknowledged that i don't have a similar biography to defense secretaries of the last 30 years. >> joining us now, allison jaslow, an iraq war veteran and former army captain. she's ceo of iraq and afghanistan veterans of america. >> allison, good morning to you. you and i spoke a lot in the lead up to this confirmation hearings about the concerns you had about pete hegseth, the questions you had for pete hegseth. has any of that been remedied by what you saw during these confirmation hearings? >> alicia. thank you

you the exact no, you couldn't, because but i know we have allies in south korea and japan and in aukus with australia trying to work on submarines with them. >> mr.. >> hegseth none of those countries are allies across none of those three countries that you mentioned are in asean. i suggest you do a little homework before you prepare for these types of negotiations. >> so, juan, you've been in washington for a long time. i mean, i wonder in the past if a secretary of defense nominee couldn't answer some questions of that type, would that not be considered a qualification issue? >> yeah, but i think that the way it came across was as a gotcha question. >> it was a gotcha question. right? >> so i mean, i think, you know, for a lot of people watching this that, well, you know, so maybe he didn't know that, but is he qualified. and that's to me the real question is he qualified to manage the largest federal bureaucracy. and i think it's the largest military in the world. and is he given any evidence of background in that kind of management skill? and the answer is no, but it's not what hap

couldn't tell you the exact amount of nations, but i know we have allies in south korea and japan and in aukus with australia trying to work on submarines with them. >> mr. none of those countries are in asean. none of those three countries that you mentioned are in asean. i suggest you do a little homework before you prepare for these types of negotiations. listen. mr. hegseth, this is he we ask our troops to go into harm's way all the time. we ask them to go into harm's way. and this behind me is a copy of the soldier's creed, a copy that usually hangs over my desk here in the senate. and you should be familiar with it. it's the same copy that hung over my desk at walter reed. every single day that i woke up and fought my way back, because i wanted to go back and serve next to my buddies who saved my life. these same, this same copy. these words are repeated over and over and over again. and let me read out two things to you. two sentences i will always place the mission first, and i am disciplined physically and mentally tough, trained and proficient in my warrior task. mr. hegseth, our tro

. >> he formed these new these new partnerships, these new alliances, the quad group, the aukus groupunited states more of a of a presence and a player in asia than it was before. >> and that sets us up. >> well, it's really quite dramatic when you step back and look at the achievements of joe biden. he made some mistakes and he paid politically for them. but but it was quite a record in only one term. >> i was going to say he made mistakes. afghanistan, inflation, the southern border and not ceding the stage to other democrats in 2023 so they could have a competitive primary that will be balanced, though against his successes. and i think historians, most historians, will find that he had a quite successful presidency, i completely agree. >> gene robinson, thank you very much. >> coming up, we'll look at jack smith's final report on donald trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election and the evidence that the special counsel believes would have convinced a believes would have convinced a jury to convict trump h everywhere but the seat. the seat is leather. alan, we get it. you love

tell you the exact amount of nations, because i know we have allies in south korea and japan and in aukus with australia trying to work on submarines with them. >> mr.. hegseth, none of those countries are allies, and none of those three countries that you mentioned are in asean. i suggest you do a little homework before you prepare for these types of negotiations. listen mr. hegseth, this is can you we ask our troops to go into harm's way all the time. we ask them to go into harm's way. and this behind me is a copy of the soldier's creed, a copy that usually hangs over my desk here in the senate. and you should be familiar with it. it's the same copy that hung over my desk at walter reed. every single day that i woke up and fought my way back, because i wanted to go back and serve next to my buddies who saved my life. these same. the same copy. these words are repeated over and over and over again. and let me read out two things to you. two sentences i will always place the mission first, and i am disciplined physically and mentally tough, trained and proficient in my warrior task. mr. h

time rebuilding our alliances in europe, creating new partnerships and alliances like the quad and aukus standpoint and an economic standpoint. our adversaries are weakened as the president leaves office. iran hasn't been in a weaker position for years. when the president was entering office, people said that china was prepared to dominate economically. that hasn't happened. we have a stronger economy here in the united states, but it's going to take very vigilant leadership and a continued investment in those alliances over our adversaries. and so he believes he's left the country in a more stable place and a more powerful position in the world. and he hopes that those policies continue. >> ben, good morning. as part of this reflection for president biden ahead of the speech and ahead of the inauguration of the next president five days from now, what about regrets as he thinks through? he said in an interview a couple of weeks ago that he thought perhaps he should have stayed in the race, and that he believes he actually would have had a shot to beat donald trump. does he regret not mov

he formed these new these new partnerships, these new alliances, the quad group, the aukus group thatted states more of a of a presence and a player in asia than it was before. and that sets us up. well, it's really quite dramatic when you step back and look at the achievements of joe biden. he made some mistakes and he paid politically for them. but but it was quite a record in only one term. >> i was going to say he made mistakes. afghanistan, inflation, the southern border and not ceding the stage to other democrats in 2023 so they could have a competitive primary that will be balanced, though against his successes. and i think historians, most historians will find that he had a quite successful presidency, i completely agree. >> gene robinson, thank you very much. still ahead on morning joe, we're following the latest out of california, where strong winds are expected to resurge, which could further complicate the fight against the flames. we'll speak with the fire chief for orange county for what he's seeing on the ground. also ahead, we'll go live to the pentagon, where nbc's co