rohingya, allegations of genocide and sitting no further away from me and you are today with aung san suu kyire thinking, "how can you possibly defend this now?" this is a nobel peace prize winner ofjust a few years ago and now, she's standing up in court defending, effectively, mass killing. you are a highly educated man and you spent years, decades on this very question of how and why people who appear to be ordinary like you and me can become killers, mass murderers. have you found an answer? i asked myself very often, "could i do that?" and have to put my hand my heart say, "i hope not," but who knows? under circumstance, there is a common theme that runs through the historical work that i've done on nuremberg, but then the most recent cases of yugoslavia, rwanda, and the common theme is this, i don't know whether to answer your question. you're able to do this to human beings when you treat them as the other. when they are not treated as human being like you, the perpetrator — you — consider yourself to be — that's always a theme and the threat that runs through. so the act of othering —