you cannot get from the new testament to auschwitz directly. that is wrong.all of the responsibility at the foot of the church simply do not understand the fundamental difference between christianity and nazism. they are absolutely different things. on the other hand, you could not have auschwitz had you not had the long pre-history made possible by christian anti-judaism. christianity did so much evil to jews and judaism over the centuries that for many jews it remains the enemy, the bad guy no matter what they do. this was deepened in the 20th century by the holocaust experience, which, of course, was a total genocide, done, not by christians, but for which many jews feel jews were set up for by this long tradition of hatred and isolation. and so this has only deepened the fact that even for secular jews sometimes, the only thing left of their jewish memory is that somehow the christians are the other or the enemy. man: when black citizens, black christians in particular, tour the holocaust museum, i think there are at least two responses -- the first is to

you cannot get from the new testament to auschwitz directly. that is wrong.all of the responsibility at the foot of the church simply do not understand the fundamental difference between christianity and nazism. they are absolutely different things. on the other hand, you could not have auschwitz had you not had the long pre-history made possible by christian anti-judaism. christianity did so much evil to jews and judaism over the centuries that for many jews it remains the enemy, the bad guy no matter what they do. this was deepened in the 20th century by the holocaust experience, which, of course, was a total genocide, done, not by christians, but for which many jews feel jews were set up for by this long tradition of hatred and isolation. and so this has only deepened the fact that even for secular jews sometimes, the only thing left of their jewish memory is that somehow the christians are the other or the enemy. man: when black citizens, black christians in particular, tour the holocaust museum, i think there are at least two responses -- the first is to

my favorite is people like me are what stand between us and auschwitz. people like me.between -- hold on a second -- this guy is -- in newt gingrich's opinion this guy is the only person that stands between us and a holocaust that kills 6 million americans. wow. so he also talks about how he may have to raise an army. >> yes. >> to defend civilization. that he is all that stands between america and the end of civilization and he is going to be the leader of that civilization and may possibly have to raise armies. >> indeed. >> for that civilization. >> there's a quote here that says he is not a nice human being, joe scarborough said of his former speaker. he is a bad person. did you say that? >> well, politically. >> in context. >> i clarified in context that the political figure -- they don't really know me personally. i just heard from mark that he is a wonderful grandfather. and i don't, seriously, you judge people professionally and you judge people personally. it's two different judgments. but politically not a good person. but these quotes -- who says, mike barnic

he said people like me are the only things standing between us and auschwitz. i don't know what he was talking about. the delusions of grandeur. i said my aim is to shift the planet. this guy is not tethered to reality. i can only take two quotes this afternoon. >> he thinks he transcends reality and he is brought down to earth by not just the super packs, but the facts. usually political negative ads, they have to play with the facts and say things that are not true. with newt gingrich that, is not so. >> professor peterson, your first time on the show and i would like to extend a warm welcome. can you explain how mitt romney can disassociate himself from super packs when they are run by his friends and their purpose is to attack whoever stands in the way of his nomination? >> here can't disassociate himself. the bottom line is he is directly connected to the super packs. it's a ton of money to attack newt gingrich and they are working in two ways. the ads are changing the minds of caucus goers and voters. it's also forcing newt gingrich to play defense. this

he told the "than thea constitution," people like me are what stand between us and auschwitz. evil around me every day." what do you make of that, nia? >> well, this is newt gingrich's grand vision of himself, is this transformative figure. he obviously is a man with a huge ego. you talked about that "newsweek" issue with his arms akimbo, where he looks like he thinks he should be the leader of the free world. but, again, this is what worked in 1994. he's very much a part of the culture there, and in some ways i think it's still going to work. in a lot of ways, republicans are looking for this superhuman, larger than life figure. and i think in some ways, newt gingrich gives them that. he is the tom sawyer of american politics. he's always up to something -- >> you're being kind. >> -- sometimes it's awful, >> this is frightening. >> sometimes it's awesome, but it's always interesting and grand. and i think that is in many ways what's resonating with a lot of republicans. >> let me sum up here. if you accuse one of the major political parties of america of supporting the murde

he tells me, it was like hitler's auschwitz concentration camp.nd a difference in the way people are killed. hitler gassed people. kim jong-il sucked the life out of people through starvation and forced labor. he says in some ways people may have died in more misery. he says he saw inmates die of malnutrition or exhaustion every single day. he himself almost died three times. his young age did not exempt him from hard labor. public executions according to him were frequent. he says, usually they fired three bullets each in the head, chest and legs. but they would sometimes use machine guns firing dozens of rounds in the head to destroy the body. they would also hang people and then stone the bodies until they were crushed. i witnessed these kinds of scenes dozens of times. he remembers his family being forced to eat mice, insects and grass to stay alive. he says prisoners were often beaten or tortured. after writing a book about the experiences, he was invited to meet u.s. former president george w. bush. he told him the u.s. needs to focus on giv

nazi dollars hadn't killed anybody until they get to auschwitz and then they killed a lot of people. they were ordinary men who did these things rather than people who would have preferred them to be with a mark of cane on their foreheads, also, of course, the whole nazi project, killing to heal. and the whole psychology of genocide in which even outside of nazi behavior has in other genocides that idea of healing a nation through killing those who are seen as dangerous or of polluting. well, those four studies became the basis for my memoir and i was helped by the other new york institution, the new york city library which laekts my paper which has -- they were organized in a much more coherent way than i ever could have. so i would find myself in perhaps what is the ultimately nascar cystic action of immersing myself of my open papers in that wonderful manuscript room in the public library as a monk of old but instead of looking through the great scriptures i was looking through my own notes that i made. [laughter] >> but it helped me enormously. and as you know, it can be a powerf