austan and mohamed, nice to see both of you. have a night weekend. >> thank you. >>> out of the chateaus but not exactly into the light a growing number of americans are working off the books, but not at a job you'd think. we'll reveal this shadow economy next. [ dylan ] this is one way to keep your underwear clean. this is another! ta-daa! try charmin ultra strong. it cleans so well and you can use up to four times less than the leading value brand. and it's four times stronger. charmin ultra strong. >>> with the 165,000 jobs added in april don't count is the growing number of americans working in the so-called shadow economy, nannies, construction workers, retail clerks and other unskilled labor often work for cash under the table and don't report their income to uncle sam. today's shadow economy has become much more than those provisions. ashley joyce has more. good morning. >> these are people with college degrees we're talking about, computer programmers, talking about graphic artists and tax accountants. they don't always

i think austan coolsby is right. we need pro tax reform in the u.s., i'm kudlow, we'll be right back. . we still need growth. let me go to my friend mark olsen. i heard a different bernanke hasn't the market. >> i agree with you. i don't know if it's a mixed message as you described it. i think it was two messages. i think that's the key. we have the testimony in the morning. the testimony was in response to questions. the question was very direct, how do you unwind? and so he was answering the question, how do you unwind? the minutes came out in the afternoon. the minutes essentially repeat what happened the previous meetings had been. so that was the confusion. >> i liked what he said, had he won. he said a very interesting thing. he said, we don't have to sell everything. we can let a lot of these mortgage bonds run off. they would shift the federal funds rate. in other words, the idea that the fed might have to sell $3 trillion worth of bonds all of a sudden one day is nuts. i think a lot of wall street people do

goolsbee, come on back, austan.ppened to you. >> i say that every month. i say it every month. never conclude much from one month's number. the thing is if we grow 1 to 2, job market is not going to grow fast enough. stuart: do you think that 2 1/2% growth for this calendar year, paul, what do you think? >> i think it's a good target to shoot for, but to be honest with you, i think one of the things in addition to the economic growth and i know that austan and i agree he with that. the ongoing thing under the numbers, labor force participation rate 63.3. that's lowest since 1979. we need the growth number higher and i feel strongly about that and i know that austan does, too, i'm not trying to be negative, austan, but i'm looking forward to the summer and here we've got the impact of tax increases, january 1st and we've got obamacare going at us which might exactly employment. and the sequester cuts that are going to take effect. that why looking towards the summer you you don't have quite the smile on your face tha

>> i think austan is right. there is no doubt about it.eason they are doing it now the gang of eight is right. they have a good formula i think. that is the one that should be pursued. you have to be here ten years and you have to apply. you can't have a criminal record. all those things that a good correspond protections from this. i think that is the way to proceed. i'm not sure where jonathan is referring to when he says the unions, tracy is right. unions had a time and place. i'm a union man. i know that. i think they had a time and place. i appreciate that. it's not now and it is not in this. they don't have a horse in this race. >> eric: jonathan, you said they should be allowed to stay. if they start flooding the borders, they can stay? >> eric, i believe so. the government doesn't own the country. the government is privately owned. i agree with austan, rounding up illegals and shipping them anywhere is horrific use of government. >> who is paying for these people? we are paying for them. >> in a free society for themselves. >> they

greatcall-- people you can count on. >> sean: we continue with austan goolsbee.n't you think that we, the voters, should have known that? >> possibly, though they were doing an investigation. >> sean: why not? they knew six months before that it happened. >> they asked the inspector general to inspect. >> sean: right. >> you certainly shouldn't announce things about the investigation while it's going on. >> sean: wait a minute. it could have a big impact on the election. >> it might have, but then ask why didn't chairman issa say anything? i mean, he was told in march of 2012. we shouldn't be talking about investigations that are going on. >> sean: the irs could have told the country, we discovered we're targeting. what they did, to trump the ig report, they went out on their own. >> wait. the irs -- i agree that part was weird, this thing about planting somebody to ask a question. >> sean: yeah, it was horrible. >> now that's the person pleading the fifth. that whole thing i don't understand. in this circumstance, though, with the irs, i think it's important tha

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. >> austan, austan.focused. >> i'm focused. >> they knew the truth about what really happened. they knew it was an al-qaeda linked group, they knew it wasn't spontaneous, they knew -- >> some people thought that. >> that's what the talk being points said. >> no. >> the talking points then that turned into an elaborate lie. >> no. in this talking points there was disagreement between the cia and others so they just said let's waited to find out what happened. >> austan, you are a good guy, you are defending your friend, but the american people this, is not partisan, deserve the truth. >> they deserve answers -- to answer the question. >> we cannot be lied to. we got to go. thank you. >> okay. >> up next, let not your heart be troubled. you picked the video of the day so which one of those three will it be? we will reit. p. cymbalta is a pain reliever fda-approved to manage chronic musculoskeletal pain. one non-narcotic pill a day, every day, can helpeduce this pain. tell your doctor right away if your moo

austan, when can i join the bls? >> i thought you were going to say.hat i can take over and put some real numbers out here. steve, you had a lot of things with services. >> 185. >> retail? >> retail bouncing back to 29,000 after having a tough month in march. revisions put the private sector really back in a normal place, average place. 154 for march. 176 for april. big projections coming from government. minus 16 in march. that's 11,000 revision lower. and minus 11,000 in april. we're doing 160, 170 is the average if you were to add that government. 34.4 is the workforce. you have had a divergence. unemployed declined. so those are big numbers. >> did you see the futures, andrew? >> yeah. >> what's great is in a bull market, bad news is good news and good news is good news. we're at new highs as of yesterday. what do we need for another leg up? suddenly good economic numbers -- i thought bit too. they were scared that the fed -- if the fed is going to do more, how can you not rub that all over your body? >> why did you have to come up with that metaph

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called the geopolitics of gold and it's from gold money and it was written by a former guest here austanmcleod and he is looking at the fact that the shanghai cooperation organization that region has basically cornered the gold market them and india. and because of this the result is that gold markets are now failing to clear the outcome is a choice the west will either have to stop intervening and allow gold to find a level where physical and driven if markets interact properly with each other or capital markets in the west will face a growing crisis likely to spill over into other markets while these outcomes were always going to be a choice to be made at some time in the future the disconnection between physical gold and derivatives has become so great that it is now an immediate concern fail to clear those are words that are really exciting to see and hear because it means that this market's in complete disarray so in other words when people show up to buy or sell gold there's not an offsetting trade to clear the price and what's happening is that the gold bullion banks the banks in

austan goolsbee, apparently privy to the private tax records of koch industries, various other groupssaw that. >> he's deleted those tweets. he needs an investigation. that's against the law to have access to private irs records. >> sean: we have a special tomorrow night of people, individuals, live audience show, of those groups of people that were targeted. obody else in the media seems to want to talk to those people. we'll do that tomorrow. ann, thanks for being with us. >> great to see you, sean. >> sean: coming up, did the former commissioner of the irs visit the white house more than any other obama cabinet member? we have the answer to that question. and were those visits to discuss the agency's enemy list with the president? also tonight, you can to pick the video of the day. it's one of those three. we'll give you a sneak peek of the first option. now one of the many stirring moment from last night's healing in the hartland concert benefiting the oklahoma tornado victims. do you think this is the video of the day? ♪ >> sean: blake shelton. vote for this video. at the end of

example, in august of 2010, president obama's then chairman of the council of the economic advise evers austanvealed that koch industries which is opposed to much of president obama's agenda, allegedly paid no income taxes. since koch is a private company, its tax records were not public. at first, the white house claimed that information had been made public. koch denied that. then it claimed that mr. goolsbee was only speculating about the tax data and the irs promise toed to look into the matter but the report was never made public. this week an inspector general report revealed at this very same time, the irs had an entire team of specialists devoted to targeting certain conservative organizations raising new questions about trust in government. joining me now, ted olson. the former solicitor general of the united states under president bush. he represents koch industries and in february of 2012 he wrote an op-ed accusing president obama of creating a quote, enemies' list. mr. olson, a pleasure to have you on. i want to tell my viewer, some are familiar with you, some are not. in addition

former chair of the council of economic advisors, austan goolsbee admitted in a conference call he divulged confidential irs information how koch industries is organized. he represents koch industries. >> we were concerned at a orchestrated campaign starting at the top of the white house to attack and disparage the koch family and their enterprises. >> reporter: olson adds for the government to send its tax agencies after organizations or people critical of government is very, very scary. jenna? jenna: one of the big questions is how high up does this go, doug? we're hearing that former irs commissioner douglas shulman, spent a lot of time at the white house. is that common for the irs commissioner? do we know what was discussed? >> reporter: shulman testified before the government oversight committee that he visited the obama white house over 100 times during his tenure as irs chief but by contrast his predecessor, mark everson said he went there only a handful of times. he told the "washington examiner" in a recent interview, quote, in my experience, the service was always scrupulous in m

a media reports that on istanbul's be -- austan goolsbee reveal confidential tax information about koch industries. do you have any idea how he obtained that information? >> two things. from the remember time, it was not confirmed that he had confidential information and come to the extent he did -- >> the whole thing is that it should have alerted year because that is something very, very important. it's a pretty big deal. did you ask your staff at the irs how it happened? did you find out if anyone had given him the information? did this give you pause? someone should have gone back to ask. did you ask anyone, yes or no, to look into it? >> it was several years ago. i have a recollection that the inspector general actually did an investigation to see if something had happened. that's my best memory. that's a very vague. >> is that true, mr. george? i did not know you were at that time investigating. >> this is one of the most frustrating aspects of implementing or overseeing the irs, the restrictions that the tax code places on me and my ability to communicate information to people ou