austin ivory this, austin of the great reformer, francis and the paging of a radical pope. what do you mean by radical. >> because he is taking the church bang to fundamentals, the essence of its mission and trying to say to the church, present the gospel without being attached to power and it's a focus on the message not diluting doctrine, not a liberal. he is not trying to make church teachings -- >> i've seen the internet today and they say, he is will be recall. >> they have been saying 0 that from the beginning. it's a big misreading. >> we have heard this simplicity message for a long time. think maybe my whole life. but now we're watching it. he is living it. >> he turns up in the middle of -- he speaks directly. he gave this morning an address and it was immediately with the homeless saying nobody, there is no justification for homelessness. that's the radical bit. then he says what needs to be said. he'll offend interests, affect -- he'll challenge people's deep-seated beliefs if necessary. >> i thought it interesting he is actually sacrificing, and sacrifice is a

i have with me austin ivory, an author of a book called the great reformer, francis and the making of a radical. thank you for being with us. >> nice to be with you. >> when you use the word radical, it's in a good way? >> it's really saying that he belongs to radical reform essentials. that is the argument of the book. he is not a liberal on corser virginiative. he is an old-fashioned kind of reformer. what he does say brilliantly is focused directly on what needs to be focused on. we have seen him here today doing this. he is never greater than when >> hi hallmark in his home millis. >> people would say if capture -- if you can capture the man as a pastor, he is never greater than with those who are in pain. he says cry. the tears shed here symbolized by the water on the site. first of all, we need to cry because there is no explanation. things can come out that you can find god in those moments in people's heroin goodness, the way they stand together. he described how new york was transformed that day. he remind me of a moment when he was archbishop and there was a fire where 600 p

. >> austin ivory is author of "the great reformer: francis and the making of a radical pope" and interviewedens of pope francis' friends and associates. >> if you had to describe the neighborhood of flores in the 1930s, the roads aren't paved at that stage. they're mostly dust. the roads turn to mud when it rains. these are simple houses. usually one-story. >> he was the typical family of migrants from italy. >> journalist elizabetha picay has known the pope more than a decade and wrote a book about him called "pope francis: life and revolution." >> he had a very normal childhood. he would go and play with fwren friends in the street. he would play football. >> people were very struck by his concern for others. i think that was there from the very, very beginning. >> translator: in 1950, i started at the school that was called the food industry. i studied chemistry dedicated to food industry and that's where we met. >> oscar crespo has been close friends with pope francis since they met in school 65 years ago. >> translator: we were good friends. and the truth was that he was one of the stud

. >> joining me now from philadelphia is catholic journalist and commentator austin ivory. austin is the author of "the great reformer: francis and the making of a radical pope." austin, with a welcome to you, i know you were there yesterday for a speech and i notice you tweeted afterwards that you expect to see his words flying on banners for years to come. austin, what specific words and what spoke most to you? >> alex, i thought this was an extraordinary speech in fact which may well come to be considered one of the defining speeches of this remarkable visit. what he did was he stood in the iconic place, of course, of american liberty and affirmed the very things which make america great, that struggle for the vindication of rights and so on. then linked that to religious liberty which is the key liberty, if you like, underpinning all other liberties, and then very definitely moved that onto the question of my migrants' rights. he was really saying to the migrant people of the united states, many of whom, 11 million of whom are undocumented in the case of hispanics, you n