but of course, it did create prosperous societies in parts of the world, in north america and australasiaindigenous people, it was a catastrophe. you know, diseases wiped out 90% of the population of the americas, people were exploited, they had their lands and livelihoods destroyed, their communities destroyed. i mean, absolutely. yes. so, you know, i don't think there's much debate about that, in my view. i think this notion of reversal, you know, it's very clear in the americas. you know, at the time, if you go back 500 years, where were the prosperous parts of the americas? central america, the central valley of mexico, andean, the inca empire. you know, the mexicas, the valley of oaxaca. you know, there you had writing, you had political complexity, you had economic organisations, sophistication, whatever. the southern cone of latin america and north america — far behind, you know? and then this gets completely reversed during the colonial period and the places that were relatively poor then become relatively prosperous. so there you see the reversal in a very clear way. right. i wan