and china is australia's biggest. with two-way trade being between $80 billion between 2008 and 2009, and this is a growing market. australia would have been really remiss not to be here. >> reporter: now one of the symbols of the fair and the biggest pavilion on the fairground, the chinese pavilion is meant to invoke the shape of an imperial ground crown, but it also remind the fair-goers just what they are government can do for them. >> people here love great themes great powers. there were great powers in the past. as a historian, i know china was in the 18th century, and then something happened. the woft came to dominate and then they had what they call 150 years of humiliation. and that humiliation is still on people's minds, and now they talk about reviving china, making china great again by launching, for example, events like the expo or the olympics. >> reporter: shi says it's a nationalistic gesture for china's middle class eager to catch up with the western lifestyle. it's also struggling with soaring housin

australia needs to go forward and that is why we need reform.ws that the mining industry get access to generous concessions. the mining industry should not run around the country and produce tax rates as high as 58% -- it clearly does not. it is possible that companies will pay more, and many will pay less. we have a fair proposal that will deliver a fair budget to the austrian people. they have demonstrated how they do not understand the national interest of australia. >> why has the government follows the convention of not commenting on this intelligent measure? are there risks to not following this approach? was the minutes of the foreign affairs has the call. >> thank you, mr. speaker. i think the member for his question. [unintelligible] >> order. the question and has been asked, and is in order. please respond to the question. >> thank you, mr. speaker. it goes to the protection of our national security interests. governments do not comment on intelligence matters or speculate on operational matters. this has been the case for many years f

one northeast spent money on offices in china, japan, korea and australia. s.e.e.d.a., the south east england development agency -- the chairman of it spent 51,000 pounds on taxis and executive cars in one year alone. we need proper control of costs and spending. there has not been any for the last 13 years, and there sure is going to be under this government. >> margaret hodge. >> can i tell the prime minister about my constituent, nikki blunden, who is 37? she has a son aged four and is dying of cancer. her consultant wants to prescribe the new drug lapatinib, which could prolong her life. last week, n.i.h.c.e. deemed the treatment not to be cost- effective. will the prime minister stick to his promise not to hide behind n.i.h.c.e., and ensure that the primary care trust funds forthwith this nhs treatment? nikki blunden cannot wait. i ask the prime minister to act. >> i am grateful to the honorable lady for asking that question. my heart goes out to her constituent, nikki blunden. we want to see these cancer drugs get to patients more quickly, without the

from australia. and the guy came to see me, a here is what they're doing -- they are expanding because they need to. we asked them to add another bird place because you can transfer the board -- transcript the birds within 40 minutes. i think they're trying to keep their mouths of work spread out. like, we will get an area inundated with 100 birds. if they clean it up with volunteers as quickly as possible, they are out of work for three or four days. or they do not want to work them long hours. they will keep them up for a week, that is on excusable. and that is what they're doing. if that -- you can see the pelicans that have not -- should and covered with goals for days -- >> covered with oil for days? who made that decision? that is a bp decision. that is not a wildle expert. what about the young man on the national show, i cannot remember hi name, but he was saying that there were plenty of people waiting. >> there putting the state and federal wildlife over. >> you remember this. we have one of

australia, the great barrier reef. you don't talk much about those trips.how often did you find them going to afghanistan and iraq and then going off for five days to italy? >> a lot of times people swing through italy when going to afghanistan and iraq. it is either a convenient excuse or a good excuse, and the one trip you mentioned that nancy pelosi went on. she spent seven days in italy a couple of years ago. that was all based around a one day trip to afghanistan. it is easy to come back and say "i just went and visited the troops," and people think that is a really good thing. you don't mention, "by the way, i also spent seven days in italy." >> is there any place that people can read all of your stories? >> wsj.com. >> do you have to pay? >> some of the stories are behind the pay wall and some may not be. "the journal" is in the process of changing the way they charge people for stories online. eventually, everything will be behind the pay wall. >> how many people at "the journal" do what you are doing? >> there were four. one passed away, and two de

it is the beginning of probably a long process and yet australia, canada, and holland have had a schedule of withdrawal long before that. in 2005 or 2006, they announced the schedule. one of them was leaving the end of this year and one is living next year and two of them are leaving next year -- one is leaving next year and two of them arliving next year. there is no relation between that and what mr. obama announced a few months ago. >> any other questions here? please. >> [inaudible] i am curious about after the copper mine scandal of sorts, what is being put in place to ensure that the bidding rights will be transparent? >> this is a very important test for afghanistan and for the international community and those countries who, in the name of investment, and exploite the opportunity and lewd and pollute. if you go to africa, this has happened. transparent process requires good laws. and good operators athe helm. the ministryf mines in afghanistan, about four or five years ago, would have started a process of procurement for this copper mine. that process has been questioned. there ar

my colleague might may be the only people who believe in compulsory voting like in australia, we have a lot of barriers but the notion that our government does all kinds of things to keep track of us can't manage to help us get registered to vote is a problem and am sorry to slip by that in my notes. >> thank you. if your last comments here the most unborn is to thank you for coming today. [applause] and just to let you know that the coalition's next conference will begin an international conference is the last quarter of this year orhe first quarter of next year. thank you. [applause] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conv [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2010] >> thursday, three democrats face off in north carolina force the state governor. -- for the state governor. they will participate in an hour-long debate hosted by wbtw. that begins its 7:00 p.m. eastern. nbooktv continues today with a look at politics. john hill on political centralism and the role of government in our lives. we have a tufts universi

among other things, she will express gratitude for australia's help today in locating the young womaneling around the world. she will think the ambassador for australia's ongoing -pcommitment to afghanistan, wil express sympathy over the loss this week of two australian soldiers, and will talk about rescheduling the australia-u.s. ministerial sometime later this year. earlier this year, that was postponed due to the haiti earthquake. yesterday, officials met for the third u.s.-malaysian dialogue here at the state department. it was the second senior meeting between u.s. and malaysian officials in the four months. the malaysian delegation was led by come on our side, kurt campbell, and a member of the ministry of malaysian affairs. that follows the april 12 meeting in washington between president obama and the malaysian prime minister in which the leaders agreed to further strengthen the growing partnership between the united states and malaysia. looking ahead a little bit, on monday the secretary will release thee2010 trafficking in persons report, as mandated by the trafficking of vi

optimistic >> woodruff: to underscore his point, the president canceled a trip to indonesia and australia scheduled for later this month. meanwhile, the spreading effects of the disaster in the gulf were seen in stark relief-- heart- rending images of heavily-oiled birds, dead or dying in viscous waves on grand terre island, louisiana. governor bobby jindal: >> we're concerned about, is not only this bird, but the future. that's why it's so important for us not to allow this oil to get in these wetlands. >> suarez: the brown pelican, louisiana's state bird, had survived near extinction caused by the pesticide d.d.t. its population had thrived in recent years, but the oil has posed an entirely new threat. elsewhere, beachfront towns in the florida panhandle braced for the worst. >> fish are going to die. then the birds are going to die. all the vegetation is going to die. i would like to see the whole community come out here every morning and start scooping. >> woodruff: tar balls began washing up at pensacola beach and elsewhere. governor charlie crist: >> the news this morning to hear th

australia now has a new prime minister-- julia gillard, the first woman to hold the position. she was sworn into office today, after ousting prime minister kevin rudd. the vote by the ruling labor party was uncontested. >> i asked my colleagues to make a leadership change, a change because i believed that a good government was losing its way. and because i believe fundamentally that the basic education and health services that australians rely on, and their decent treatment at work, is at risk at the next election. rudd had been prime minister since 2007, but his support had fallen sharply with another election just a few months off. he championed climate change legislation, but the australian senate rejected a tax on polluters for carbon emissions. rudd shelved the plan last april. a new bid for campaign finance reform advanced in the u.s. congress today. house democrats pushed through a bill to disclose who pays for political ads by outside groups. republicans said it would hinder free speech. last winter, the u.s. supreme court threw out a long-standing ban on direct politi

it parachuted from a mother ship into australia's outback overnight. the larger spacecraft burned up as planned after a seven-year four-billion-mile journey. helicopters then ferried the scientists to a remote desert area to pick up the payload. the capsule was flown to japan where scientists will try to determine if it brought back any all street lost ground late in the day, over new worries about europe's finances. that's after the greek government's debt was lowered to junk status. the dow jones industrial average lost 20 points to close below 10,191. the nasdaq rose less than a point to close near 2244. those are some of the day's major stories. now, back to judy. >> woodruff: the prospect of vast mineral wealth in afghanistan. margaret warner has that story. >> warner: for years there has been much speculation and some study about huge mineral deposits in afghanistan. but exploration of those minerals-- everything from iron and copper to the lithium used in lightweight rechargeable batteries-- got lost or sidetracked by decades of war. now, report

guest: the caller talks about comparison of our country to australia. there is a lot misinformation about these comparisons. their strike and government has had to release information about the effect of its gun laws. if you look at the comparison of the united states with other western industrialized countries, what you find is that our violent crime rates are not that different than those in western industrialized countries. are sometimesketes higher than here. what you find three time is that u.s. homicide rates are higher than any of these other countries. you find a much greater involvement guns in our crimes that in their crimes. we have more guns. we have looser gun laws, and we have much more lethal crime. our -- is so easy in our country to get guns. that is why our homicide rates are so high. host: you wrote about more guns, less crime. guest: right. i cannot find a country in the world that has had a gun ban that is not had in increase in murders afterward. it's sometimes increases three, four, fivefold increases. they have low crime rates an

so, if the rest of the world, including europe and canada, australia, if we don't stand australia, if we don't stand with israel, we are in absolute big, big trouble. host: thanks for the call. this morning, david sang their reporting on the situation in iran -- david sanger. the headline saying iran is said to have fuel for two nuclear weapons. that headline right above the fold. the next call is jim from illinois. -- "usa today" has the had lined the walls of troubles for the u.s. caller: this is jim burke. my view is that those arab people were sending arms and -- to hamas in those ships. and all of these liberals have always tried to ignore that and focus on what israel did wrong. what israel did right was to stop bombs, arms, guns, and ammunition from going to hamas. that is the real focus. and every liberal in this country wants to take the focus off of that and say, those poor arab muslims, when the real problem is the arab muslims. israel is our support, -- need our support, it is our best ally. that is the most important thing to remember. they are our real ally. turkey has a

trend, but we found a lot of people were telling us that they would tell the young person to go to australia or canada and some saying the u.s., but many other countries were actually ranked above the u.s. in that question. to the caller was the other point, that is something we have done. connections to the u.s., whether they have relatives in the u.s., having traveled to the u.s. those folks that do have those kinds of connections to the country do tend to give the u.s. more positive reviews. host: next up is hawaii. go ahead. caller: good morning. actually, i live here in hawaii, but i'm from micronesia. i do not know if you have heard of it. we are called the federated states of micronesia. we are protected under the united states flag, and me, as a person, we send allies to the united states. as i watched the news every day from msnbc, and i watched the division that the u.s. has. it is divided. we do not know how to react or how to -- we go about believing which to believe. we're talking about the burgers, talking about tea parties, talking about all those other organizations that make

such as our friendship with our european allies, such as our friendship with our asian allies in australiaand others, who join with us in the common values, to present them to the world and to pursue them as international policy. a bond of generations that no momentary disagreement can undo. most importantly, we promote democracy when we live our democratic values here at home. torture is not a democratic value. extraordinary rendition is not a democratic value. overriding the rule of law in our criminal justice system, under president bush and obama, has convicted and incarcerated 300 terrorists since 9/11. without incidence is not a democratic value. many conservatives recognized that when american citizens attend attacks on our nation, as we saw in the times square, and our civilian courts are more than equipped to carry out justice. there may well be times, however, in military commissions far opprobrious and should be used. we also honor our democratic values when we honor the tradition of civilian control of the military. as president obama correctly made clear last week. when we aba

from australia. a guy came to see me here is what we're doing, because we ask them to add another bird place where it is shorter to transport the birds. what happened, what i believe is they are trying to keep their amount of work spread out. like, we might bring in 100 birds, and if they clean them all up as quickly as possible, three or four days.f work for they keep three or four pence of pelicans for up to a week sometimes. that is inexcusable. you can see the pelicans. >> they are covered for days. >> they say they are letting them calmed down. that bird has not moved because it is stuck in a while. >> who made that role? >> the contractor. >> but that is a bp decision. that is not the expert. i can remember the person's name, but he said he has teams of people. >> we need to take them responsibility away from the contractor and give it to the federal wildlife overseer. >> they were performing better than most of the state. it was mitch that mobilized them. >> it seems like everything we are dea

new mexico, and canada, australia.ork back tobring the state that is in dire crises of economic resolution? host: heavy petitioned the governor's office on these issues specifically? caller: i think it is pointless. i think he has failed us. host: columbia, south carolina. caller: i have been looking for a year. there are small jobs here and there that i have found. i am an engineer. host: how did you lose your job? caller: and did have a project worked at places like airports. it came to a screeching halt. all of the project stopped and we new taxes are coming with obama's nomination. investors pulled the plug on everything. that was even if they have the cash. my company had the cash. they decided to stop everything and they went back to europe. i do not collect unemployment. i make too much money. unemployment would be less than one day's pay. i cannot collected. host: how you support yourself? caller: small just here and there. i may work a few weeks to make enough money to live for a month or so. when you are a ce

our traditional allies of the u.k., australia, we can count on, i believe, germany. and they are truly making a difference. host: since you spent time on the ground with the soldiers who are fighting, the -- an issue this country has been fighting about for the past 67 years is troop fatigue. what can you tell us about in terms of reinforcements and continue deployments? guest: rotations are extremely deport g-8 important. we should be very mindful about persons being rotated at such an level, whether it is iraq or afghanistan, that there is time back home with their families. fatigue can be with the troops, but also a threat to stable families. i, as a parent of two sons who served in iraq, i know the sacrifices and dedication of families. so, we need to be mindful of the troops and their families. host: an issue that really took front and center yesterday and captured headlines was the promised year end the war review, and on the july 2011 date for beginning the process for troop pull out. there was much discussion as to whether the process was just beginning with

quit letting one to 3 million people into this country illegally and we start doing like canada, australia, and england, when we start choosing the people that we want, we are a nation of immigrants, but we came here illegally. the people that came here illegally are welcome. they are afforded every right of citizenship except the right to vote. host: we are really focusing more on legal immigrants and have the demographics in the united states are changing. guest: the caller does mmke a good point about how the census tracks the population. latinos can be quite or african- american as well. we are not saying that the majority population, when you include white hispanics the population is somewhere between 20% and 75%. this is the definition that says the people of direct european ancestry, the population shifting down words. host: another call from florida. democratic line. good morning. go ahead. caller: hello. good morning. i would just like -- am i on now? most of you are. caller: be illegal immigrants coming into this country are taking jobs from legal people and i think this is wrong

from australia. and the guy came to see me, and here is what they're doing -- they are expanding because they need to. we asked them to add another bird place because you can transfer the board -- transcript the birds within 40 minutes. i think they're trying to keep their mouths of work spread out. like, we will get an area inundated with 100 birds. if they clean it up with volunteers as quickly as possible, they are out of work for three or four days. or they do not want to work them long hours. they will keep them up for a week, that is on excusable. and that is what they're doing. if that -- you can see the pelicans that have not -- should and covered with goals for days -- >> covered with oil for days? who made that decision? that is a bp decision. that is not a wildlife expert. what about the young man on the national show, i cannot remember his name, but he was saying that there were plenty of people waiting. >> there putting the state and federal wildlife over. >> you remember this. we have o

it is the beginning of probably a long process, and yet, australia, canada, and holland had scheduledthdrawal from afghanistan long before that. in 2005 or 2006, they announced the schedule one of the -- they announced the schedule. one of them was leaving this year, two next year. that was announced a long time ago. there is no relation between that and what mr. obama has announced a few months ago. >> any other questions here? please. >> i am specifically curious about the copper mines, the scandal of sorts. what is being put in place to be ensured that the mineral bidding is transparent? >> this is a very important test for afghanistan and the international community and those countries who want to come and exploit the opportunity and loot and blue, as i said -- loop and pollute. if you go to africa, this has happened. the process requires good laws and good operators at the helm. for five years ago, they started a process of procurement for this copper mine. that process has been questioned. there are many, many questions about that process. other than copper, there are the minera

there were from australia. the guy came to see me. we ask them to add another bird place because then you do not have to transport the birds another 40 minutes. i believe they're trying to keep the amount of their work spread out. we might bring in a hundred birds. if they clean them all up with volunteers, which they should be as quickly as possible, and they are out of work for three days or four days. or they do not want to work for long hours. that they leave the pens for pelican's up to a week is unacceptable. you can see the pelican's -- >> they are covered in it for days? >> they say four days or five days to let them, down. that bird cannot move because it is covered in oil. >> but that is a bp decision. that is not a wildlife expert. the what is the name of that young man who has been on andersons show? he has teams of people waiting. >> is being taken away from the contractor. >> the state wildlife [unintelligible] they were performing better than most of the state could why we would not put more in their hands -- it was mea

like in australia they have programs in school that are basically affirm tiff action for boys in schoolso they have boys-only schools or reconstruct the he's kind of addressed this head jan, using policies that basically are what we think of as affirmative action policies for boys. as they do in some american colorages. in christina hostile he blames the feminists and says it's a feminist division -- host: i think we just celebrated the ooh 50th anniversary of the pill. does that have anything to do with -- guest: yes. now it's a really long history. but there's a new book written about the impact of the pill. and it just talks about the pill allowed so many things to happen. because once you control your reproductive cycle, it allows you to work and control more of what's happening to you in your life. >> in fact, we covered -- host: mountain view, california, richard, hi. caller: yes. good morning. hi. host: we're listening. please go ahead. caller: thank you. i really love this topic and i have to share this with you. i actually was one of the early organizeers of the now movement in

the models, i worked with some people in australia who had i believe were ahead of us in encounteringradicalization. and th had a simple model they learned from the u.k. that they defeat terrorists. it's learned from the ira. it's really the only way tt that can be done that you can defeat the radicalization, counter to counter radicalize people is almost an impossible to prevent them from, you can't prevent people fromooking bad thoughts. you can learn to address the sides and work with people in these communitiethat know the signs even, even more keenly and are more aware of them and i think that's the best model. in terms of al-awlaki's jump to start in such a speech, jack, there was just conflict of influence -- excuse me, i dnt think we can sit back and say well if we just ignore them and don't speak about it he won't be there. we can't. so why don't know that it's possible to do that in the media or the government level but at the community level with law enforcement it could be effective. .. and they all are responsible for ecting the government. and anybody who spent time in t

he's been talking to interests from australia, brazil, western africa and eastern africa already. he's considering the options very seriously. ke he can't afford to be paying $500,000 or $1 million a day as long as this moratorium goes on. it's going to have a devastating effect on our domestic production of energy. one of the great problems we have in america, something we should have fixed years ago is our dependence on foreign oil. we remember in 1979, when iran was taken over think ia toe la khomeini, i was a 16-year-old in houston, texas, my job was to take the car up, when it got down to about a quarter tank of gas, to take the car up, i loved it, sitting there, radio on, window down. now that i'm an adult, i realize, what a disaster that was. and it's still out there today. we have serious challenges in the mideast. the -- mr. katani in iran is scary. trying to get a nuclear weapon. he was here in the united states at the united nations, sat down with george stephanopoulos, and literally, this is the leader of iran, told him that osama bin laden is here, in washington, d.c.

you look back in australia, that was new technology. that thing didn't blow up, but leaked. i don't think we're there yet. and what bothers me, and this is my statement, there are very powerful interests that want to proceed at all cost. and i don't think we should. i think we have a -- an imperative and that imperative is to see that the technology is in place before we drill, to see that it's monitored, to see that inspectors are not from the oil community but that they are truly independent, that they're well trained, and that they have the authority to shut something down, that they can't wave an environmental impact report like bp. i think there's a whole litany of things that have shown that the path that we were on is a dire path. and i think you're going to have to be very strong to really change that. because i think for all intents and purposes, the pressure is going to be enormous to go back to business ausual. >> i agree with you, senator feinstein, that there are a litany of things that have to be done. and you know, when you go back and look day to day at what

it is the beginning of probably a long process and yet australia, canada, and holland have had a schedule of withdrawal long before that. in 2005 or 2006, they announced the schedule. one of them was leaving the end of this year and one is living next year and two of them are leaving next year -- one is leaving next year and two of them are living next year. there is no relation between that and what mr. obama announced a few months ago. >> any other questions here? please. >> [inaudible] i am curious about after the copper mine scandal of sorts, what is being put in place to ensure that the bidding rights will be transparent? >> this is a very important test for afghanistan and for the international community and those countries who, in the name of investment, and exploite the opportunity and lewd and pollute. if you go to africa, this has happened. transparent process requires good laws. and good operators at the helm. the ministry of mines in afghanistan, about four or five years ago, would have started a process of procurement for this copper mine. that process has been questioned. th

competition now is all of the countries of europe, japan, south korea, china, malaysia, india, singapore, australia, brazil. the rest of the world. if we can have a government as i write in this book, while other countries are going pedal to the metal and starting to lap us so we need to have that competitive spirit and they do have a winning energy game plan in here. another thing about sports, no one ever goes to a game, no one pays to watch officials officiate. you don't go there to say gosh i hope that zebras figure out to-- who will win this game but too often in washington may come up with manipulations and burdens and nanny government regulations that impede the flow and whether it is our complicated tax code or this most recent health care monstrosity that-- what we want is not people to be dependent on the government. we want folks to be responsible for themselves and have more affordable personalized importable health care options, which i talk about in here, in my book. another chapter is defense wins championships. everyone talks about defense runs-- wins championships. defenses the top

meeting of just 21 members, usually draws a hundred to 900 delegates, even when meeting areas like australiasouth africa, and new zealand. while there is usually background noise in these meetings, a hush falls when the national park service is at the microphone because everyone knows that the park service will speak knowledgeably and credibly about the conservation of these sites, and about how local communities can help with conservation and benefit from the economic dividends they can provide. for many years, the park service's, under both republican and democratic administrations, has given credibility to u.s. delegations at these meetings. there are likely many reasons for this international respect for the parks service and the united states. in large measure, it appears to be a return unsound investment made by the u.s. government in international programs such as the peace corps partnership in 1972, which grew into the largest volunteer conservation program in the world. the park service's international seven -- seminar at comparable success, and continues to bring long-term benefits

soloway is, is there a difference between static security in paris or sydney, australia or peru and inactive combat zone? do you see a distinction there do? or to you are they always the same thing where it's always okay to have contractors perform that level of security? >> severing different in an active combat zone, so i wouldn't make the statement it's the same as paris. the issue again is and i think dr. stanger's point, there's commonality here, the point i wanted to make earlier, ms. brian doesn't think we agree, but we all agree that the government has to exert control over this mission in whatever form it might take. >> right. >> the gradation is confusing that dr. nagl talked about which is absolutely never which are closely associated or core competentsies, whatever term we want to use that does have gradations and you have to make decisions based on availability of resource, costs, environment, risk, all of those things are part of the decision, so i wouldn't say as a flatout declare tif statement that all convoy security is for all contractors nor is all building security

it is the beginning of probably a long process and yet australia, canada, and holland have had a scheduleof withdrawal long before that. in 2005 or 2006, they announced the schedule. one of them was leaving the end of this year and one is living next year and two of them are leaving next year -- one is leaving next year and two of them are living next year. there is no relation between that and what mr. obama announced a few months ago. >> any other questions here? please. >> [inaudible] i am curious about after the copper mine scandal of sorts, what is being put in place to ensure that the bidding rights will be transparent? >> this is a very important test for afghanistan and for the international community and those countries who, in the name of investment, and exploite the opportunity and lewd and pollute. if you go to africa, this has happened. transparent process requires good laws. and good operators at the helm. the ministry of mines in afghanistan, about four or five years ago, would have started a process of procurement for this copper mine. that process has been questioned. the

australia, finland, and the percentage of people with knowledge degrees.significantly limmt our long- term economic growth. his focus, we heard a lot about responses from people across the country, his focus is to look at that base of the pipeline which is our community college pipeline, are technical system, because that is the place for those individuals that are the maybe population. will i go on to higher education or will i not? one of the major problems is in those three for ompletion rates for committed to colleges, we have an 80% fall down rate for first time, full-time students. after three years, you are only seeing about 20% of american students actually graduating from those glasses. one of the major places that fall down happens is in developmental and remedial courses. no surprise. everything we just heard is the students will get into those courses and it looks a lot like the high school courses they did not particularly enjoy or too well in. about 65 percent of them do not even complete their full remedial classes. that is a disaster for us

soloway is, is the a difference between static security in paris or sydney, australia or peru and in active combat zone? do you see a distinction there do? or to you are they always the same thing where it's always okay to have contractors perform that level of security? >> severing different in an active combat zone, so i wouldn't make the statement it's the same as paris. e issue again is and i think dr. stanger's point, there's commonality here, the point i wanted to make earlier, ms. brian doesn't think we agree, but we all agree that the government has to exert control over this mission in whatever form it might take. >> right. >> the gradation is confusing that dr. nagl talked about which is absolutely never which are closely associated or core competentsies, whatever term we want to use that does have gradations and you have to make decisions based on availability of resource, costs, environment, risk, all of those things are part of the decision, so i wouldn't say as a flatout declare tif stement that all convoy security is for all contractors nor is all building security app