in alex yassky from the australian capital but on now alex is and i'm most of the australian strategic policy institute and he has done a lot of research on and that chinese interference in australia and it's good to have you on the program can i just ask you of the outset doesn't look like the chinese state is this treaty or supporting students who are protesting on australian university campuses. thank you the very least we know that the chinese government is encouraging these kinds of activities the consulate has really statements encouraging students to show their patriotism and protect china's sovereignty and there's a lot of evidence that groups linked to the chinese government are involved in orchestrating some of these protests the australian government has set up a task force to look at chinese interference in australian university campuses how is the task force going to proceed what are the things they're going to be looking at least to be looking at a whole range of areas including research collaboration freedom of speech and some of these issues around what the chinese communist party is tr

analysis by the australian strategic policy institute suggests the video was shot in the city of korla in august of 2018. in response the xinjiang government said in a statement to krb, cracking down on crimes this accordance with the law is common practice of all countries. our crackdown on crimes has never been linked to ethnicities or religions. two deyanes say the video terrifyingly familiar. amanzahan says he was detained in china in 2018, never told what for. held in his first camp for several weejz. he says he was transferred to another as exactly shown in the video. we were to remain just like that. they put cuffs on our hands and legs. police were there with guns. he was released after several months and now lives in kazakhstan. while detained, he says the fear of what might happen was the worst. >> translator: watching the video, i'm still scared because i know what the prisoners are thinking. they don't know where they're being taken or if they'll be shot dead. it's terrifying. there are no publicly known instances of shooting deaths inside the camps. more than 3,000 miles a

analysts at the australian strategic policy institute told nbc news these images show another part ofe that is far more punishing with fenced exercise pens and barbed wires? we can go across the road to the other side? >> that is a normal school. it has nothing to do with us, he says. >> reporter: back in washington, senator marco rubio has campaigned against china's policy. >> so do you believe that what the chinese have shown us here reflects what these centers are really like? >> of course not. of course not. they control is0100% this regio. they control what you get to see. >> reporter: it is just, he says. we protect weaker culture he says. thousands of miles away in istanbul, turkey, those who fled tell a different story. hansa growing up without his mom while his family fear his brothers have been sent to orphanages. china's communist party pushing for a more united country, tearing families apart. >>> keir that is just stunning reporting. good for you for confronting him in a place where it probably wasn't comfortable to do that. what is the basis -- we heard one example. what