>> i think the argument in favor of bernie is passion and authencity in addition to the actual ideology that underscores his ideas. i think people, especially young people are really looking for something who they don't feel like is saying hey, i'm calculating to figure out what you want so that i can give it to you. so i can sell myself to you. but rather somebody who is saying hey, look, this is who i am. i'm a 74-year-old white guy with frizzy hair. like it. take it or leave it. >> kasie, you're smart. you really. i think that's what's missing. since mondale, i can remember this has just been people who assemble all the interest groups in the democratic party, labor, teacher, pro israeli people, put them all together in a big basket, hispanic people, tell them all what they want to hear and figured it's somehow going to come out to 50%. it never happens. it never adds up to 50. you need an extra plus. bill clinton had it, a selling point. obama had it. something beyond simply i'm here telling you what you want to hear. >> and also, i'm better than the alternative. the trump voter wer