designing is thought to be a highly creative task the software company autodesk which creates programs for architects and designers is currently to. program called generative. understanding of what works. and press of stuff but. genuine creativity and how do we even define creativity that's a tricky question just like trying to figure out whether. our working lives. just make our jobs disappear. are divided on the issue. dystopian take on ai goes like this companies will invest in ai systems the systems will grow increasingly powerful gradually they will take. fewer and fewer companies will survive and unemployment will skyrocket the welfare state as we know it will cease to exist. the more optimistic vision sounds like this will do all the burdensome boring and onerous jobs for us we'll have more time for creative pursuits and for social work. look at the respect they deserve to have loads of free time to enjoy. if machines can start doing let's say repetitive or dangerous or unpleasant jobs then we as a society should start thinking about where people are needed precisely because the

stock up more than 45% since the start of this year also took autodesk and pandora public he joins us at post 9. >> good to be here >> you have -- you are no stranger to this process what do you think some of the board room conversations are at these so-called tech unikorns? >> they are going to be challenging. as you know, private investor valuations are much different than public investor valuations. that's why i'm a big supporter of getting companies out sooner rather than later because i think the public market gives you the right value. yes, they'll have some tough conversations in those board rooms. >> the fact that we see this title wave of all these more mature companies going public this year, you don't see that as a market top you see that as overdue? >> i think they're overdue they are clearly consuming a lot of cash. they need to find other markets because the private investors have a lot but they're out of cash to invest in these companies. the public market is always the best place to go >> we always hear that company went public too soon they weren't ready to go public.

autodesk also moving higher as well and the big rebound this month that has helped make this possibleus toward all-time highs, has been the mega caps really coming back to life apple up more than 10% for the month. amazon, microsoft hitting an all-time high today ahead of its earnings this afternoon. it's going to be a busy one. wilf, over to you. >> it certainly is, bertha, as you were saying there. a little bit of breathing room for the nasdaq composite, though not much, as to whether or not it hits a record all-time close. for the s&p it is incredibly tight indeed we are at 2933 the number needed, 2931 to be a record close there's a snapshot since the last high on the 20th of september it took 95 days to decline 19.8% to the 24th of december. 120 days since then, we're up nearly 25% in order to hit that record we'll keep an eye on it. the dow is about half a percent or so from its record high nasdaq we've already discussed and s&p. sectors today led higher by health care, consumer discretionary, tech to the womt bottom, only one in the red, which is consumer staples and otherwise t