is also that the russian people after a long history of collective existence have also become very autum ised they avoid collective solutions collective action even their fifth objectively to their benefit is that something permanent or do you think that may change over time to have we seen in other cities how this collective muscle collective in a positive way how does it for. so that was yesterday i gave the presentation and four russian experts responded and people from the audience responded that was almost a continual theme. it's not only the difficulty of negotiating it's the lack of desire to do so and that well the buildings the units were privatized many people don't feel that the building has anything to do they have anything to do with and that they should that should be provided to them. come after said they're not real owners they're view themselves as residents and there is this very collected feeling and so that's something that i think is profoundly difficult to change and it will take time i also think that in terms of the transition that some people take for example a p