human relationships you're able to build with a wide range of radicals extremists, politicians, avera ge people, there were times i was reading the book and i thought i am a former soldier i would turn back. it is real bravery i guess you have to me young enough to accomplish. but in the book you also change a back -- change talk about with any type of radical and shocked about how that happened and the realization can you tell us about that? >> this is the first meeting i was going to be someone who qualify as an extremist in the organization and he belonged to the most powerful and influential anti-shia organization which has very close ties with the taliban which had been banned by the musharraf government for sectarian killing. i was trying to understand early 2006 to what extent sectarian violence in iraq was building over and rekindling longstanding sectarian tensions and pakistan? we wanted to meet the guy to get the idea. one friend said he could make the introduction and we got him and his car and drove to karachi and this guy was waiting for is on the side of the road in his mo