he saw the way senior looked at averill. >> he was very flirtatious towards averill.made some inappropriate comments towards averill in the past about dating him instead of his son. >> a real man? >> exactly. >> yeah. >> all the while, said ron, senior treated jr. like a pathetic little boy, a loser. >> chris jr. was there and was given tasks and when his father wasn't happy with those tasks, he would belittle him and make him write reports on why he did this wrong. >> belittle him in front of other people? >> in front of everybody, yeah. >> the irony, said ron, averill didn't appear to be attracted to either father or son. >> there were comments made by her about wanting the money and that she was with chris for the money. the only reason she was with a young man over ten years younger than her was for the money. >> do you want to tell me what you think of her? >> what i think of her? >> yeah. >> i do. but i don't think i can. >> oh, okay. >> for their part, the extended northam family seemed to regard chris jr. as a victim, siding with him over the actual murder vic