avery freeman and richard herman. vilma, he went on to tweet about this, too. quite publicly saying, quote, as i said before, i never paid more intended to pay any amount of money to any player for intentionally hurting an apoebant. he is also saying the nfl relied on at best, heresy. were there recordings, richard, or documentation, would there have to be in order for the nfl to suspend a player on something like this? >> fred, there was an intense investigation done by the nfl. i don't know every avenue they turned up. i don't know all of the witnesses they interviewed, what information they got, but roger goodell acted as the judge and executioner here. he made the sole determination, vilma what not allowed to parm in that. appeared to me that maybe he had spicy gumbo, bought he brought this ridiculous lawsuit i have here. ridiculous lawsuit which is going to be dismissed. >> really? >> no way -- >> avery. >> no way he's going to be able to prove actual malice or a complete disregard for the proof. >> avery -- >> that's not why he filed it. >> you agree. how

avery freeman, cleveland. richard herman, las vegas. gentlemen, avery, you first, she's alleging they fired her because she's in her words, too hot, too sexy. they knew who she was. if it was about her, i guess, image, didn't they assess or think about that when they hired her? what might have changed? >> i don't know. because she was a tempworker. she was there for two days. what is very interesting, unless some employees at the lingerie company are going to back her up, i don't know how one proves that. she claims they wanted her to tape her breasts down and minimize her mammaries and be less sexy or something like that. at the press conference, which was a bit tasteless. i don't know that the lawyer could have gotten closer to the plif than she did. an intriguing issue or whether or not she was picked on because of her gender and because of religion. she claimed that the bosses were orthodox people who they were very conservative, but it was a lingerie company. so i think it's -- it's pending at the eeoc. >> is that what you're saying

avery freeman, and richard herman. good to see you as well. all right, this is something else. this is a different standard your ground kind of case taking place in florida. marissa alexander said she fired the warning shot to scare her husband. then she ended up facing aggravated assault charges. was convicted, sentenced to 20 years for that act. avery, what went wrong here in the case of her defense? >> oh, my goodness. you want a laundry list? fredricka, this is terrible. number one, it does call into question the issue of stand your ground. i mean, if stand your ground has any meaning at all, it is when a dejenerate husband or man decides to beat up a woman, that is when in this case, mrs. alexander did what she should have done. she didn't shoot the guy. she fired at him as a warning, and now she's convicted of attempted murder. because of mandatory minimum sentencing in florida, this is a 20-year sentence even without any prior conviction. is really is a miscarriage of justice. >> richard, why was this a failure in a stand your ground defense? why is this not working in h

i asked avery freeman and richard herman how she'll be able to prove that. >> it's very interesting.know how one proves that. she claims they wanted her to tape her breasts down and minimize her mammaries and be less sexy or something like that. >> how you get to sexual discrimination and religious discrimination here is beyond me. the fact that gloria all hp wrong is in the case tells me that -- >> have you gotten that phone call from her yet? >> richard and avery. you will hear more from them later on. on this case and others in just a few minutes. >>> cnn international's jonathan mann joins me about a story making strange headlines. one headline goes something like this. berlusconi, girl masquerades as obama. berlusconi being the former prime minister of italy, and bunga bunga the name of his infamous parties. you take it away. >> can i say at the outset, if there's a child in the room or you're creeped out by the antics of older rich guys who can do whatever they want, this is not for you. we're talking about silvio berlusconi. forced out of office in november, but still in the h

i asked avery freeman and richard herman how she'll be able to prove that. >> it's very interesting.know how one proves that. she claims they wanted her to tape her breasts down and minimize her mammaries and be less sexy or something like that. >> how you get to sexual discrimination and religious discrimination here is beyond me. the fact that gloria all hp wrong is in the case tells me that -- >> have you gotten that phone call from her yet? >> richard and avery. you will hear more from them later on. on this case and others in just a few minutes. >>> cnn international's jonathan mann joins me about a story making strange headlines. one headline goes something like this. berlusconi, girl masquerades as obama. berlusconi being the former prime minister of italy, and bunga bunga the name of his infamous parties. you take it away. >> can i say at the outset, if there's a child in the room or you're creeped out by the antics of older rich guys who can do whatever they want, this is not for you. we're talking about silvio berlusconi. forced out of office in november, but still in the h