avery freeman in cleveland g . good to see you.n, a law professor joining us from las vegas. good to see you as well. >> hi, fred. >> all right. gentlemen, a conviction, 45 counts. sentencing has yet to happen. this case is far from over. richard, might there be other case that's develop as a result of this or other charges to be prosecuted now that the court has heard from a number of witness that's came through? and then they didn't hear from one, matt sandusky. this may spark new charges? >> they could spark new criminal charges against sandusky. if you do, i would hope they bring in dottie also as a co-defendant and accomplice. >> that's his wife. >> that's his wife. but it's very interesting this matt sandusky. because this is the alleged reason they did not put jerry sandusky on the witness stand. they feared that as a rebuttal witness the government would call matt sandusky who would after all this time saying no, my father never touched me. he never touched me, now all of a sudden he was going to get on the stand and say, y

let's bring in our legal guys, avery freeman joining us from cleveland, and richard herman, a new yorkriminal defense attorney and law professor. good to see you as well. this is an extraordinary case. wondering if this is kind of precedence setting. avery, you first, we're talking about christmas 2007 this sdent takes place. linda and ray and denise and george are all in a vehicle teeth. they were rear ended. no one is disputing the fact there. they all died either immediately or over time. he pled guilty to speeding, the dui, got 12 years in prison, now he's suing the estate for pain and suffering. is this precedence setting? avery? >> i don't -- i don't think it is. it's a disturbing case, obviously, fredricka. but it involved a felon convicted of certain crimes who is now bringing a civil action. and he's introducing his case with a reconstruction, accident reconstruction expert, trying to say that it was the victim's fault. let me tell you something, he has been on the stand, we heard from him yesterday. and the truth is that his credibility has crumbled all over the place. he's n